Routing query 1D36 2330 Kings Cross to Leeds

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  1. Pseudonym

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    Can anyone explain why 1D36 from KGX to LDS gets routed via Pontefract and into Leeds on the midland line instead of more directly via WKF like all the other East Coast services?
    This seems to happen every night so can't be a temporary engineering issue.
    Thanks.
     
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  3. swt_passenger

    swt_passenger Veteran Member

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    Probably to maintain diversionary route knowledge.
     
  4. Adam0984

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    That is correct for Diversion Route Retention same as 1N35 also goes via Askern then Ferrybridge, Sherburn and Church Fenton to York
    In the other direction 3A12 VTEC ECS Neville Hill to Hull (MO) and also 5H10 ECS Hull to Neville Hill (Su-F) and 5B90 ECS Lincoln to Neville Hill (SuO)
     
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    Thanks - but for 1D36 at night there won't be many landmarks to see!
    Out of interest what do you see from the front end at night? Do the headlamps illuminate a significant distance - they certainly never look that bright.
     
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    Most route knowledge retention diversions have to take place first thing I the morning or last thing at night due to maintaining the pattern of service through the day itself.
     
  7. IanXC

    IanXC Emeritus Moderator

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    Doesn't matter whether its light or dark when a crew pass over a route for knowledge retention purposes, my understanding is that route knowledge doesn't really depend on things outside the railway boundary - although crews may well choose to use them for identification purposes.
     
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    I'm not a train driver, but as I understand it the main purpose of the lights is to ensure that other people can see the train, rather than to see the track ahead. At any significant speed, by the time you can see something obstructing the track it it's already too late to avoid hitting it. And that's just as true in daylight as at night.
     
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    It's not what you see, it's the fact you are driving over a route so re-familiarising yourself with speeds, signals, routings etc

    Route retention trips arnt about being able to see all the scenery etc, plus when you sign a route you need to know it well enough to drive at night and in thick fog when you can't see 6' infront of the train. So any landmarks invisible at night will be pretty useless.

    Train lights don't really illuminate the line ahead, they are there to make the train visible to others and to illuminate reflective trackside signs.
     
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