Rovers/Rangers and Bank Holidays

[Greenback]

Is Good Friday classed as a Bank Holiday if you have a ranger or rover ticket which is restricted to after 0915 on Monday - Friday?

Do different TOC's treat it differently, or is there a national agreement?

 

[island]

Good Friday is a bank holiday in the UK, just like the first non-weekend day in January, the first Monday in May, and so on. If a restriction code is expressed "by any train on Saturdays, Sundays, and bank holidays" or similar verbiage, then that is how it works.

Note that there are some restriction codes that are not lifted on bank holidays, for example C4.

 

[ji459]

Good Friday is only a bank holiday in Scotland - http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/80/schedule/1

The National Rail website is showing railcard discounts on Good Friday before 10 am, so presumably a ranger or rover would be valid before 9.15 am too.

 

[Greenback]

It is claseed as a bank holiday where I work, but I am aware that a lot more people work on Godd Friday compared to other Bank Holidays.

It's just as confusing with buses. Sme companies treat it a s normal day, soem as a Saturday and others as a Sunday. Some operators in the past seemed to have different timetables for different routes, like running a Saturday service on one and a Friday service on another!

 

[island]

Good Friday is only a bank holiday in Scotland - http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/80/schedule/1

You'll find that 1971 act to be rather out of date.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/Timeoffandholidays/DG_073741 has the full details of holidays, and correctly notes Good Friday to be a public holiday.

 

[Eagle]

Good Friday is only a bank holiday in Scotland - http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/80/schedule/1

That's out of date; Good Friday is a bank holiday in all the UK currently.

 

[Seacook]

It is claseed as a bank holiday where I work, but I am aware that a lot more people work on Godd Friday compared to other Bank Holidays.

It's just as confusing with buses. Sme companies treat it a s normal day, soem as a Saturday and others as a Sunday. Some operators in the past seemed to have different timetables for different routes, like running a Saturday service on one and a Friday service on another!

According to the Directgov site neither Good Friday nor Christmas Day is a bank holiday - they are public holidays http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/Timeoffandholidays/DG_073741

I imagine most people think of bank holidays and public holidays as interchangeable, but apparently not.

The rovers and rangers I have looked at on the NRE site mention bank holidays but not public holidays. .
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island beat me to it, I see.

 

[Greenback]

So the question should be whether the railway treats public holidays the same way as bank holidays then?

 

[ji459]

You'll find that 1971 act to be rather out of date.

Really LOL! Perhaps you could link to the statutory instrument or act which repeals it?

 

[34D]

Is Good Friday classed as a Bank Holiday if you have a ranger or rover ticket which is restricted to after 0915 on Monday - Friday?

Do different TOC's treat it differently, or is there a national agreement?

I'd email the TOC who's station you are planning to buy said Rover at (and/or the TOC who prices it/the TOC who's train you plan on using first thing on Good Friday) and get their written answer, in order to cover yourself.

Its all very well the experts on here agreeing with the interpretation, then one clerk refusing to issue it.

 

[Greenback]

I'd email the TOC who's station you are planning to buy said Rover at (and/or the TOC who prices it/the TOC who's train you plan on using first thing on Good Friday) and get their written answer, in order to cover yourself.

That's good advice, though I'm not planning on starting very early, it just makes a difference if I take the 0830 rather than the 0930!

 

[island]

Really LOL! Perhaps you could link to the statutory instrument or act which repeals it?

Public holidays in England and Wales are, would you believe, an exercise of the Royal Prerogative, and set every year by HM, not by a statutory instrument or act.

 

[tony_mac]

The act is still in force

http://www.tuc.org.uk/extras/bankholidays.pdf

In England, Wales and Northern Ireland, both Christmas Day and Good Friday were traditional days of rest and Christian worship (as were Sundays) and did not need to be included in the Act.

(of the 1871 act)

Bank holidays designated since the 1971 Act are appointed each year by Royal
Proclamation.

 

[Cliveblackpool]

The use of words Public & bank holidays is confusing. The National timetable uses both.
Presumably the Banks will be open Good Friday!
Can I assume there will be a normal service running on Good Friday?
Quote - Complete Railway Timetable BHX Does not run on designated Bank Holidays 30 May,29 August
There is no Public/ Bank holiday on the 30th May 2012!! They have put 2011 dates.

 

[island]

The terms used interchangeably, but it seems they shouldn't be!

 

[First class]

As for railcards:

(In relation to no minimum fare requirement)

Any day in July and August, any Saturday, Sunday and Public Holiday with any ticket type

That is from the ATOC page for railcards.

It appears that ALL TOCs then refer to ticket restrictions as "Bank Holidays". All entries in The Manual use "Bank" not "Public", unless it is an ATOC managed product.

Standard Class Anytime Return/Single

Customers travelling using this product on a Saturday, Sunday or Bank Holiday can upgrade to First Class on Virgin Trains services FREE OF CHARGE.

 

[34D]

We then have public holidays on scotland but not Wales.... Etc. I note that the wording says "bank holidays" or "public holidays" not "holidays appropriate to the origin station". Great thread though

 

[island]

The question of whether to apply England/Wales or Scots bank holidays is comparatively simple. The NRCoC says that tickets sold in Scotland for travel entirely within Scotland are under Scots law, and everything else is the law of England and Wales. It follows that Scots holidays apply in the former case.