Sale of two DB Class 67s to Colas

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From WNXX via Facebook;

Two Class 67s for sale by DBC...
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Locomotives
DB Cargo have the following locomotives available for sale:
Loco Location
67023 Crewe
67027 Toton
These locomotives are offered for sale on an ‘as seen and where lying’basis.
The successful bidder(s) will be required to remove the Locomotives at their own expense.
Please register your interest for these locomotives in accordance with the “Guide to making an offer for a Locomotive.”
Registrations of interest should be e-mailed to [email protected]. Postal registrations of interest should be sent to the address at the bottom of this section.
The closing date for registrations of interest for these locomotives is
noon on Tuesday 29th November 2016
Tender documents will be issued shortly after this date.
Guide to making an offer for a locomotive.
These Locomotives are offered for sale by means of competitive open tender

Seems things at DB are potentially getting worse.....

 

[D365]

That sure is interesting, as they were leased from Angel Trains for the first 15 years of their life.

 

[37038]

Under orders to sell all surplus stock. 60s 08s were expected, skips weren't IMO.

 

[59CosG95]

I do wonder who'd take them on. For passenger work, GWR may well do so as their 57s are proving to be ever more unreliable. Colas could take them both on for test train work over some of the busier main lines, like the WCML; this could allow NR's expensively converted DVTs to be put back into use. Chiltern wouldn't take them back.

 

[Monty]

So does this mean DBC have purchased the 66/67s outright from the leasing company, I wasn't aware they had which is why I find this announcement surprising.

 

[59CosG95]

So does this mean DBC have purchased the 66/67s outright from the leasing company, I wasn't aware they had which is why I find this announcement surprising.

They certainly purchased their 66s outright, I can remember expending a lot of Tippex and time in my P5 spotter's guide changing the owners!

 

[43096]

I do wonder who'd take them on. For passenger work, GWR may well do so as their 57s are proving to be ever more unreliable.

Ever more unreliable? Says who?

In any case the 57s are leased until 2019 so why buy 67s now? You can't just cancel leasing contracts just because you want to. Except for the spotters on the end of the platform, obviously....

 

[co-tr-paul]

A quick search on flikcr shows 23 in service September... . I would love a few 67s on the GWR CNR but any deal would most likely go through a leasing co

 

[hwl]

Does just offering 2 seem like a testing the water exercise to see if there is demand and what the market price is? Then make an informed decision based on initial responses and the bids received to see if there is interest in further ones if offered for sale.

 

[pdeaves]

I would love a few 67s on the GWR CNR

What is CNR, please?

 

[Townsend Hook]

A quick search on flikcr shows 23 in service September... . I would love a few 67s on the GWR CNR but any deal would most likely go through a leasing co

Given that there's only the two on offer, GWR would still need a number of 57s so would they go for a mixed fleet of locos? I would guess that Colas would be very interested, given that they have recently started hiring 67s again for Network Rail IM trains.

 

[co-tr-paul]

Ever more unreliable? Says who?
Every January I post a CNR loco survey on RMWeb in the Railways of Cornwall Specialist section. Unreliable they aren't but its very high profile when anything goes awray due to its emblematic nature!

CNR Cornish Night Riviera Sleeper.

 

[Blindtraveler]

I wonder if DRS would be interested for the Cumbrian Coast? Are they cleared for the full route?

 

[Townsend Hook]

I wonder if DRS would be interested for the Cumbrian Coast? Are they cleared for the full route?

I can't see DRS paying much attention to be honest, given that the 67s don't really do anything the 68s don't do, with the exception of 125mph capability, which DRS don't need.

 

[1179_Clee2]

I would have thought GBRF would be interested. Its MD John Smith has always said he would buy loco's if available, think 66's or the 59 from Europe. It has recently been sold what better way for its new owner to flex its mussels than to buy loco's.
It has run the Royal Scotsman tours all summer so could increase the passenger side of its work with ETS fitted loco's.

 

[HLE]

Could even be used in place of a couple of the 73's on the sleeper services....GBRF provide the traction after all.

 

[59CosG95]

Seeing as they operate the VSOE, perhaps 67023 & 027 could do the Royal Scotsman instead of the Sheds?

 

[BestWestern]

Are these fully serviceable, or have they been dumped outside in the rain for X number of years?

 

[59CosG95]

Are these fully serviceable, or have they been dumped outside in the rain for X number of years?

I'd say they were fully serviceable. I saw 023 on a test train at Derby back in Summer '15, and saw 027 on one earlier that same year at New Street.

 

[sprinterguy]

I can't see DRS paying much attention to be honest, given that the 67s don't really do anything the 68s don't do, with the exception of 125mph capability, which DRS don't need.

Indeed: Why would you use an older, heavier, slower accelerating locomotive when a 68 could do the job much better where they're cleared to run?

 

[Steve050462]

I think this is very much a tester to see what value DBC can get from the sale of these 2 loco's. I'm hearing elsewhere that DBC need to get rid of a lot of locos and the 67's are largely surplus.
I can see why GBRF might be interested - they have already entered into the Passenger Market and from what I hear are interested in expanding in this area of the business. The 67's would allow 66's to be released from some Scotsman duties and might even allow expansion elsewhere into the Charter and Short Term Hire market
Perhaps we might see a larger proportion of the Class 67 fleet offered for sale soon - currently 11 of the 30 are stored and many of the serviceable ones are on mundane duties such as Shunting.
Would DBC contemplate selling the whole lot as a job lot and hand over some of the existing contacts (e.g. Royal Train & Belmont Pullman) to get these assets off the books and get some much needed short term finance from the sale - just a thought!

 

[hwl]

I think this is very much a tester to see what value DBC can get from the sale of these 2 loco's. I'm hearing elsewhere that DBC need to get rid of a lot of locos and the 67's are largely surplus.
I can see why GBRF might be interested - they have already entered into the Passenger Market and from what I hear are interested in expanding in this area of the business. The 67's would allow 66's to be released from some Scotsman duties and might even allow expansion elsewhere into the Charter and Short Term Hire market
Perhaps we might see a larger proportion of the Class 67 fleet offered for sale soon - currently 11 of the 30 are stored and many of the serviceable ones are on mundane duties such as Shunting.
Would DBC contemplate selling the whole lot as a job lot and hand over some of the existing contacts (e.g. Royal Train & Belmont Pullman) to get these assets off the books and get some much needed short term finance from the sale - just a thought!

Definitely testing the water.
Also if they need to get rid of lots of locos the question is whether they would sell the remainder of the BR legacy fleet to other operators or just sell them for scrap to stop the competitors geting useful locos to compete for work against them.

 

[XCTurbostar]

EWS got a lot of stick for scrapping serviceable locos back in the early 2000s. I can't say Im that surprised this has occurred, the value will be higher as they are fairly modern so it will be interesting to see how this pans out.

Thanks,
Ross

 

[dubscottie]

Definitely testing the water.
Also if they need to get rid of lots of locos the question is whether they would sell the remainder of the BR legacy fleet to other operators or just sell them for scrap to stop the competitors geting useful locos to compete for work against them.

EWS got screwed for that. Putting "locos" up for sale that had been cut in two for "component recovery" at Wigan.

They must, by law, sell them "as seen" on open tender. Whoever pays the most gets them be it another operator of the scrapman.

 

[Y961 XBU]

DB Cargo recently had 60s for sale aswell but i have not seen anyone post on how that went on?

 

[43096]

They must, by law, sell them "as seen" on open tender. Whoever pays the most gets them be it another operator of the scrapman.

Utter, utter nonsense. There is no law to say disposals have to be on open tender, or what price you have to accept.

EWS signed a code of conduct on disposals back in the day when acquiring locos was much more difficult than now and they had an effective monopoly on 2nd hand locos. I doubt it is legally enforceable, and actually is pretty pointless now - although DB Cargo still seem to be abiding by it, perhaps because they believe it gives them the best price.

 

[route:oxford]

If these had been built as 125mph capable Co-Co locos, there would probably be broader interest in them.

In reality, they are a near 18 year old loco that doesn't compare very favourably to the 5-tonne lighter and considerably less thirsty Class 68.

Perhaps a duty as a Scotrail "Thunderbird" for when the elderly HSTs start operations?

 

[43096]

Perhaps a duty as a Scotrail "Thunderbird" for when the elderly HSTs start operations?

HSTs already have a built-in Thunderbird capability - it's called the other power car.

 

[tiptoptaff]

HSTs already have a built-in Thunderbird capability - it's called the other power car.

Interesting theory you have.....
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[Clansman]

HSTs already have a built-in Thunderbird capability - it's called the other power car.

Good luck operating the rear one backwards

Although it would be a wise move for Scotrail to have them back up as they are already tried and tested with HST operation compared to the 68s which they currently lease.

Serco could always abandon 2 of its 73s on the Sleeeper