Saturday London unit help

Discussion in 'Allocations, Diagrams & Timetables' started by ash39, 8 Jan 2017.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. ash39

    ash39 Member

    Messages:
    953
    Joined:
    8 Feb 2012
    I'm in London for the day on Saturday 21st, wondered if anyone could help with some queries on unit allocations as it's not my local area. I'm mostly looking for help with 321's.

    Do Great Northern run any 321s into Kings Cross on Saturdays? I'm sure I've seen them there in the past but from a brief look on realtimetrains, everything seems to be timed for 31X's or 365's. I know this isn't a guarantee of traction, but GN have services timed for 321's on weekdays so wondered if there was any significance in this. If someone could offer a brief overview of what services I can expect 321's to operate that'd be most helpful.

    Greater Anglia, I'm pretty sure I can work out which services are 321's but are any booked as double or triple sets?

    Do LM operate any 321's anymore or have they all gone to Scotrail? Any out of Euston on Saturdays if so?

    Finally, not a 321 query, but if I was to seek out the handful of South West Trains Class 158's, do they operate in a common pool with the 159's or are they used on different services?

    Any help appreciated
    Thanks
     
  2. wls1

    wls1 Member

    Messages:
    97
    Joined:
    6 Jan 2017
    Location:
    Grays
    GN 321s have mostly been replaced with 387s, not many left now. The went off to GA so not in service for a while.

    GA 321s are booked on the Southends, and Braintrees. You can get a few on Clacton and Ipswich and Colchester Towns. However bear in mind that GA normally have major engineering works on weekends, so it may not be the best to try sometimes.

    LMs 321s went in September 2015, and are now 319s. None are into EUS at weekends as they're peak time only. St Albans Abbey branch has them running, if its not broke down.

    Im not sure on 158 with SWT, i know that the Romsey-Southamptons are normally 158s but other than that im not sure.
     
  3. 306024

    306024 Established Member

    Messages:
    1,848
    Joined:
    23 Jan 2013
    Location:
    East Anglia
    Fortunately Sat 21 Jan is clear of engineering work on the GEML.

    Trains are either 8 cars, or 4 cars on the less busy services. No 12 cars at weekends.
     
  4. ash39

    ash39 Member

    Messages:
    953
    Joined:
    8 Feb 2012
    Thanks for the replies. Not even considered any engineering work so that's fortunate.

    Aren't Great Northern keeping any 321's at all then? I knew a few were moving over but didn't realise they all were.
     
  5. yorkie

    yorkie Administrator Staff Member Administrator

    Messages:
    34,626
    Joined:
    6 Jun 2005
    Location:
    Yorkshire
    GTR are not keeping 321s on their Great Northern route according to this:
     
  6. NSE

    NSE Established Member

    Messages:
    1,170
    Joined:
    3 Mar 2010
    I'm no SWT expert but I'm fairly sure most 158 booked work that includes London is only during weekday peaks for strengthening. Weekends and off peak it's just 159's AFAIU from Waterloo.
     
  7. PHILIPE

    PHILIPE Established Member

    Messages:
    7,034
    Joined:
    14 Nov 2011
    Location:
    Caerphilly
    Separate diagrams
     
  8. Kite159

    Kite159 Established Member

    Messages:
    8,556
    Joined:
    27 Jan 2014
    Location:
    West of Andover
    Although a pair of 158s have popped up working a Salisbury local in place of an unavailable 159, although that isn't much use to the OP as they skip Clapham Junction both directions (XX:50 from Waterloo).

    GA is useful as in general RTT will display if a service is 321 or a 360, and majority of the time it is correct
     
  9. ash39

    ash39 Member

    Messages:
    953
    Joined:
    8 Feb 2012
    Thanks all for the pointers. Looks like I better get used to Stratford to Romford then!

    Have the ex-GN 321's gone straight into service with AGA or are they being refurbished? I use abrail.co.uk to check fleet details but they still show them as GN allocated and FCC livery.
     
  10. 306024

    306024 Established Member

    Messages:
    1,848
    Joined:
    23 Jan 2013
    Location:
    East Anglia
    Four of them were visible in the yard at Clacton with pantographs raised last Saturday. Don't know if any were locked in the shed.

    To be honest they looked a bit rough compared to the GA 321s, so hopefully something will be done.
     
  11. Wilts Wanderer

    Wilts Wanderer Member

    Messages:
    381
    Joined:
    21 Nov 2016
    Strictly SWT 159/1 units are bog-standard 158s with a different number. Only the 159/0 units are 'true' 159 sets with pairs of high-powered 400hp Cummins engines on each car. (Although strictly some of the high-no 158/0 units were similarly engined!)
     
  12. Alfie1014

    Alfie1014 Member

    Messages:
    329
    Joined:
    27 Jun 2012
    Location:
    Essex
    The current issue of Rail magazine is stating that 10 units have come over to GA, (402/405-10/418-20). 6 will receive the similar standard of refresh that the 321/4s that came from LM had in 2011/12. The remaining 4 units will only have a limited amount of work done on them as they are only staying as short term cover until the Renatus programme is complete in 2018. The remaining 3 units on the GN will eventually go to Scotrail as four car trains to cover for delays to the electrification programme up there.
     
  13. ash39

    ash39 Member

    Messages:
    953
    Joined:
    8 Feb 2012
    Ok slightly different plan now, are there any SWT diagrams on saturdays that involve pairs of 444 or 450 units, or is everything single unit?

    Thanks in advance
     
  14. James Wake

    James Wake Member

    Messages:
    742
    Joined:
    30 Aug 2013
    All Waterloo to Reading, Basingstoke, Alton, Haslemere and Portsmouth via Guildford Trains should be 8 450 most of Saturday during the day. Single 444s and occasional double 450s on Waterloo to Poole and Portsmouth via Eastleigh services. Double 444s should work most Weymouths although the Trains split at Bournemouth with one unit continuing to Weymouth. Single 450s also on Southampton to Portsmouth and some Guildford to Ascot runs.
     
  15. ash39

    ash39 Member

    Messages:
    953
    Joined:
    8 Feb 2012
    Very helpful, thanks for taking the time.
    --- old post above --- --- new post below ---
    OK, one more query then my plan for the day is complete...

    Anyone able to confirm if any of the below booked to be more than 4-car sets? Might fit in a run to Harrow and Wealdstone, would be more inclined to do so if they were double sets...

    2T04 1726 Tring to London Euston
    2T95 1734 London Euston to Tring
    2T01 1805 London Euston to Tring
    2T06 1756 Tring to London Euston

    Thanks again
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page