The Class 385s have a top speed of 100mph....that's it, you are wrong, end of!
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The Class 385s have a top speed of 100mph....that's it, you are wrong, end of!
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hexagon789
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Brilliant, so they could get some more 4-car?
Perhaps excercise the 3-car option but extend to 4-car?
You can't enable 125mph in a train which can't do it. 100mph max.
I took the 1255 to Gourock today and it was a 3 car 385 , not sure if it was the only one or not on the inverclydes. There was also a 318 on the Wemyss bay and a 320 on Gourocks .
Is this the first time 320s have been down the Inverclydes ?
No 314s on any inverlcydes , maybe just early morning now .
Have to wonder if Ayr will see them in service , i suspect we will but obviously drivers will have to be trained .
Also has a 385 worked a Neilston service ??
Recent Class 385
Operation in the direction of Lanark and Gourock / Wemyss Bay has begun.
Operation in Cathcart Circle Lines seems to be reduced for that amount,
Is the route changed to a route with few curves, medium distance (more than 40 km), and likely to save time?
Glasgow Central-Lanark about 46 km
Glasgow Central-Gourock about 42 km
Glasgow Central-Wemyss Bay about 60km
Operation in the direction of Lanark and Gourock / Wemyss Bay has begun.
Operation in Cathcart Circle Lines seems to be reduced for that amount,
Is the route changed to a route with few curves, medium distance (more than 40 km), and likely to save time?
Glasgow Central-Lanark about 46 km
Glasgow Central-Gourock about 42 km
Glasgow Central-Wemyss Bay about 60km
hexagon789
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385s can only do two low-speed trips (such as the Circle) in succession or the traction motors overhead I was told.
Possibly running out to Gourock/Wemyss Bay is sufficiently fast to negate this?
Certainly Lanark would be.
Maybe I think the Scottish government is under study,
Which Non-electrified route is effective when realizing the Battery Drive Class 385?
Just as a diesel engine was installed under the Class 801 floor,
Hitachi seems to install a storage battery under the Class 385 floor.
Which Non-electrified route is effective when realizing the Battery Drive Class 385?
Just as a diesel engine was installed under the Class 801 floor,
Hitachi seems to install a storage battery under the Class 385 floor.
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hexagon789
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Could they not be upped to 110mph, possibly, such as with 350s?
Macwomble
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What's the point....there's very few, if any, +100mph stretches on the Scotrail network.
What is the top speed of Class 390 in Scotland?
They were specified for 100mph as that is, afaik, the maximum line speed on the E&G so there would be no point in upgrading them to 110mph.
It will depend on the line speed, though I don't see what the top speed of a 390 has to do with 385s. They are completley different trains altogether.
hexagon789
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I know that, nothing over 100 outside if the ECML/WCML; it was just a general can it be done in relation to an earlier postm
hexagon789
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It was more if a can it but done, certainly there's no point at present.
hexagon789
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125 where linespeed permits, exactly the same as in England.
While it's a completely irrelevant question anyway, it's doubly irrelevant in the case of the 390s since they are allowed to run faster than other trains due to tilt
Because there are no sections or signals that can be upgraded to over 100 miles an hour?
hexagon789
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Getting off-topic, but you could allow non-tilting trains to do 125 on the WCML.
125 on the WCML from London into Glasgow for tilting trains, 110 for non-tilting. 125mph on the ECML from London into Edinburgh.
All other lines in Scotland are 100mph maximum.
supervc-10
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From my understanding the limitation of non-tilting stock to 110 is purely a passenger comfort thing, not a safety thing (apart from the risk of passengers falling and hurting themselves!). A Pendolino could do 125 with the tilt disabled and not come off the tracks, or do any damage to said tracks, but it would be unpleasant for those on board.
The 'Power cars' on the APT didn't tilt.
Or am I barking up the wrong tree?
There are a few sections of line (none of them on the Edinburgh & Glasgow route) where 125mph might be possible. But it's irrelevant to Class 385s, because they aren't built for that speed. 'Enabling' it would likely involve replacing the entire powertrain, at which point you might as well build new trains.
From memory, so I could be wrong, the EGIP strategic assessment looked at 125mph running on the E&G. End-to-end time was 38 minutes, well into diminishing returns territory, at the expense of totally buggering up intermediate stops and pretty much the entire Central Scotland rail network needing resignalling.
The only places where you might see 125mph running are on the Aberdeen routes, where the HSTs can theoretically take advantage of it.
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385 was seen working on the newton line yesterday.
hexagon789
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APT-P power cars did tilt, hence the anti-tilt pantograph fitting.
If, and it's a big if, the 385s were upgraded I can't see it being to more than 110mph.
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To run 6 x 8-car you need 12 formations (24 sets) as a round trip is 2 hours.
DanNCL
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Just seen a pair of GBRF 66s top and tailing a pair of 385s and some barrier wagons on the East Coast Main Line just north of York. Presumably these units have come from Italy?
I believe so - should be this run IIRC:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R02621/2019/05/22/advanced
hexagon789
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I know that now, I realised that and corrected my error.
hexagon789
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Would make sense.
A Question
I was commenting to the guard last night how the 385 on the new timetable had shaved a decent amount off the time to Dunblane . He confirmed they were quick. But he thought the ride was less steady than the 170 as they were heavier , the new trains being more lightweight materials. Cant say I notice much of a difference albeit I always found 170 a comfortable ride.
Which got me thinking . Whilst I am sure new technology and design will have safety at the heart of it , lighter materials may not compromise structural integrity , heaven forbid in a collision. Do all new trains get crash tested like all cars are ?
I was commenting to the guard last night how the 385 on the new timetable had shaved a decent amount off the time to Dunblane . He confirmed they were quick. But he thought the ride was less steady than the 170 as they were heavier , the new trains being more lightweight materials. Cant say I notice much of a difference albeit I always found 170 a comfortable ride.
Which got me thinking . Whilst I am sure new technology and design will have safety at the heart of it , lighter materials may not compromise structural integrity , heaven forbid in a collision. Do all new trains get crash tested like all cars are ?
hexagon789
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They have to meet stringent regulations which for the 385 are tighter that when the 170s were built. You couldn't build 170s to the same design anymore as they wouldn't fit the updated collision regs.
Also, I don't they are lighter as such than the 170s. The motor cars are similar weights it's only the trailers that are significantly lighter by virtue of having neither traction motors nor engine to add weight.
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