Scotrail Class 385 Discussion

[NorthClyde320]

Scotrail has tweeted that 385001 has been accepted into service, leaving 385002/44 to enter service

Is this due to 001 already having accumulated milage when it was first in Scotland as it was delivered about a week and a half after 044?

I may have lost track but has 002 been delivered yet?

 

[InOban]

No, unless it was sneaked up somehow...

 

[Speed43125]

Have they begun to switch to 8-coach trains on the E-G, apart from the .00 services which have been 8 coach for some time?

Not yet. I think maybe i've seen one non- O'clock train as an 8-car, but could easily be wrong. Apart from that one time, I've not seen a single other 8-car train.
Many Dunblane and Alloa trains for example continue to be 4 car 385/1s

 

[DaStripedCgull]

Not yet. I think maybe i've seen one non- O'clock train as an 8-car, but could easily be wrong. Apart from that one time, I've not seen a single other 8-car train.
Many Dunblane and Alloa trains for example continue to be 4 car 385/1s

Quite a few 385/1s still on the Edinburgh-Glasgow via Falkirk Grahamston.

 

[InOban]

Is there a problem in ensuring that all E-G trains are allocated to the 8-coach platforms?

 

[snookertam]

Is there a problem in ensuring that all E-G trains are allocated to the 8-coach platforms?

I don't think it's so much that. To ensure all Edinburgh/Queen Street services were 8 car now would involve major alterations to the diagrams as a whole - they'd be taking 4 cars off other routes and replacing them. That involves going through the entire diagrams and making sure they all balance out. Given that ScotRail's planning department will have been working on the diagrams for the December timetable change anyway, it makes far more sense to do it then, rather than two lots of changes two months apart. It would be like any office - the people there have a certain capacity for work. Asking them to work on two major diagram changes - and for Network Rail to accommodate them in that time - would be asking a bit much. The 8 cars will no doubt be introduced in December.

 

[anthannan]

Path in for Thursday. Is it realky going to happen this time?

 

[Sickandtired]

Quite a few 385/1s still on the Edinburgh-Glasgow via Falkirk Grahamston.

Are u implying dunblane services will be going to 3 car?

 

[Altnabreac]

Are u implying dunblane services will be going to 3 car?

Probably some to 3 car, some to 6 car and some staying 4 car.

 

[hexagon789]

Probably some to 3 car, some to 6 car and some staying 4 car.

I think most will be 3 off peak, the 4-car units being concentrated on the Edinburgh-Glasgow "ScotRail Express".

 

[InOban]

But there are 24 4-car trains and the 'Scotrail Express' service only needs 16, so even allowing for a reserve, some will be spare for any other service where the extra vehicle, perhaps declassified, can be justified.

 

[hexagon789]

But there are 24 4-car trains and the 'Scotrail Express' service only needs 16, so even allowing for a reserve, some will be spare for any other service where the extra vehicle, perhaps declassified, can be justified.

If spare then it's possible of course, whether any would be diagramed specifically though

 

[snookertam]

If spare then it's possible of course, whether any would be diagramed specifically though

All units are diagrammed at all times, they just don't always get allocated in a way that corresponds to the diagrams. If there are only 16 units required for the Edinburgh/Queen Street service I would guess that probably at least a further 4/5 will be diagrammed onto otherservices, with remainders as possible hot spares (ready for traffic) and on maintenance (might allow for 2 at a time).

 

[hexagon789]

All units are diagrammed at all times, they just don't always get allocated in a way that corresponds to the diagrams. If there are only 16 units required for the Edinburgh/Queen Street service I would guess that probably at least a further 4/5 will be diagrammed onto otherservices, with remainders as possible hot spares (ready for traffic) and on maintenance (might allow for 2 at a time).

Fair enough, but will 4-car sets be specifically diagramed to non-E&G shuttles when they are all 8-car all the time?

 

[Altnabreac]

Fair enough, but will 4-car sets be specifically diagramed to non-E&G shuttles when they are all 8-car all the time?

Yes. As outlined above there are more four cars than needed for the E-G.

 

[hexagon789]

Yes. As outlined above there are more four cars than needed for the E-G.

I knew there were more than required but not if there were specific 4-car diagrams for those spare sets or if they just operated 3-car diagrams as and when needed.

 

[InOban]

Light engine has already set off, so tonight's final delivery looks very likely.

 

[Typhoon_93]

67006 is on its way from Tees yard to Aycliffe to collect 385002 and take it to EC tonight.

 

[InOban]

Thanks for the confirmation.

 

[SC318250]

67006 is on its way from Tees yard to Aycliffe to collect 385002 and take it to EC tonight.

Thanks for all your updates on the deliveries

 

[Scotrail314209]

Looks like a major milestone. (Finally)

 

[Typhoon_93]

7X09 departed Aycliffe at 20:59 heading to EC.

 

[NorthClyde320]

Currently most C'nauld services arr GLQ and dep 5-8 mins later and have done since the new service was introduced in Dec 18, from the new timetable a number of services are timed to arr/dep a few mins apart, giving not a lot of turnaround time. So could the DBL - EDB, EDB - GLQ via C'nauld and GLQ - S/A/D services now interwork with each other, given they are all 385 operated, with a mix of 3, 4 and 6 cars? It is a good way of moving units between depots and stabling points.

Good to see the final 385 being delivered .

 

[NorthClyde320]

The 8.30 GLQ-EDB is a 7 car departing from platform 5, always used to the main EDB service departing from platforms 3, 4 & 7, good to see the benefits of the extended platforms.

 

[hexagon789]

The 8.30 GLQ-EDB is a 7 car departing from platform 5, always used to the main EDB service departing from platforms 3, 4 & 7, good to see the benefits of the extended platforms.

I think 4 and 5 are or are to be dedicated to the E-G shuttle, because of platform length.

 

[NorthClyde320]

I know platforms 3, 4 & 7 can take anything up to 8 cars, platform 5 anything up to 7 cars, platform 6 anything up to 6 cars, unsure about 1 & 2.

 

[snookertam]

I think 4 and 5 are or are to be dedicated to the E-G shuttle, because of platform length.

Platforms 3 & 4 will continue to be the principal Edinburgh platforms, as trains can arrive 4 and depart 3 without conflict. It was set up this way in the late 1990s when the 15 minute frequency was introduced.

 

[hexagon789]

Platforms 3 & 4 will continue to be the principal Edinburgh platforms, as trains can arrive 4 and depart 3 without conflict. It was set up this way in the late 1990s when the 15 minute frequency was introduced.

So it's 3 & 4, not 4 & 5?

 

[NorthClyde320]

Yes 3 & 4 and also 7. These are the only platforms that can take 8 car sets.

 

[hexagon789]

Yes 3 & 4 and also 7. These are the only platforms that can take 8 car sets.

What it is I think is I forgot 3 & 4 share the platform face, 2 being to the side on its own and 5 sharing with 6. But anyway, it makes sense to dedicate platforms to the 385 shuttles.