Scotrail Class 385 Discussion

[mcmad]

Still not been mentioned on the twitter feed as far as I've seen. short forms are "due to maintenance requirements" apparently

 

[47271]

Well, I successfully got myself from one end of the line to the other on time in a 10% full 365 coach today. It smelt of damp, and maybe a little bit of toilet, the interior wall panels were dropping off and the combination of full blast heating and all of the windows open gave for an interesting top to toe temperature experience. It didn't feel like a route in crisis however, just a bit tired and manky.

 

[Goldfish62]

Well, I successfully got myself from one end of the line to the other on time in a 10% full 365 coach today. It smelt of damp, and maybe a little bit of toilet, the interior wall panels were dropping off and the combination of full blast heating and all of the windows open gave for an interesting top to toe temperature experience. It didn't feel like a route in crisis however, just a bit tired and manky.

In other words, a standard Networker experience.

 

[alangla]

Still not been mentioned on the twitter feed as far as I've seen. short forms are "due to maintenance requirements" apparently

Journey check was describing it as "a train fault" - the knock-ons are enormous though, some E&G showing 3 vice 7/8, North Berwick showing 4 vice 6, Dunblane & Fifes showing 2 instead of 3, plenty of 3 vs 4 changes in Ayrshire too, presumably to get 380/1s freed up

 

[MadCommuter]

Still not been mentioned on the twitter feed as far as I've seen. short forms are "due to maintenance requirements" apparently

Interesting that they announced the start of the 314 withdrawals but nothing about their reintroduction.

 

[Journeyman]

Interesting that they announced the start of the 314 withdrawals but nothing about their reintroduction.

Well, it's not a good news story. 0715 from Glasgow spotted at Linlithgow this morning was an absolutely rammed four-car 380.

 

[youngac]

I should be able to take pictures of the 385 on driver training at Central just after 15:00 if all runs as planned.

 

[Christmas]

Interesting that they announced the start of the 314 withdrawals but nothing about their reintroduction.

They have jumped the gun on a few occasions and been left with egg on their collective faces when things go wrong. Perhaps keep the fanfare until the final units retire then celebrate their (314) longevity.

Getting back to the 385, if the brake issues are not resolved quickly then there will be major overcrowding by the December timetable change. Aren't there still ten 156s and a handful of 170s expected to leave in December? If so then this will obviously impact on existing sevices.

 

[Southsider]

They have jumped the gun on a few occasions and been left with egg on their collective faces when things go wrong. Perhaps keep the fanfare until the final units retire then celebrate their (314) longevity.

Getting back to the 385, if the brake issues are not resolved quickly then there will be major overcrowding by the December timetable change. Aren't there still ten 156s and a handful of 170s expected to leave in December? If so then this will obviously impact on existing sevices.

I guess if it’s a lengthy delay some 314s can be retained and there are more 365s available though only about 9 I believe. There are still some 321 to 320 conversions to emerge as well. Not ideal but it would fill some gaps.

 

[318266]

I'm pretty sure this is a 385 on test: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/M21243/2018/10/09/advanced

 

[Sirius]

Due back in GLC at 13:13 if anyone is in the area!

 

[snookertam]

They have jumped the gun on a few occasions and been left with egg on their collective faces when things go wrong. Perhaps keep the fanfare until the final units retire then celebrate their (314) longevity.

The franchise is going that badly for Abellio they're desperate for the slightest thing to crow about as good news. They tweeted several times on one day about the planned timetable changes in December recently.

 

[snookertam]

I guess if it’s a lengthy delay some 314s can be retained and there are more 365s available though only about 9 I believe. There are still some 321 to 320 conversions to emerge as well. Not ideal but it would fill some gaps.

The way things are going I wouldn't be surprised to see class 315 to 314 conversions being needed...

 

[alangla]

If December comes & Scotrail are still without 385s, what is the actual fall back plan? Add the 9 365s, keep the 314s and short-form everything else basically? If things like the all 6 car Airdrie trains were shelved then I guess that could free up some 320s for Cathcart/Neilston etc. Can Gourock drivers drive 320s? Realistically Ayrshire has to stay 380, but I guess some 334s could be robbed for North Clyde jobs to send even more 320s south & free more 380s for the E&G or North Berwick. Assume Dunblane & Alloa will be 365 as planned.

 

[thetangoman]

So. What really happened to withdraw them. I heard a rumour that it was a total brake failure and emergency brakes had to be applied.

 

[youngac]

Seen a photo of 013 with the new windshield fitted attached to another unit (105?) looking ready for delivery.

 

[InOban]

There's now a delivery tun in RTT for Thursday. At least today they managed to cancel the light engine movement, no trip to the factory and back.

 

[YorkshireBear]

I can't seem to find the relevant post apologies, has it been said what the issue is that is grounding the fleet?

 

[chuff chuff]

Problem has been identified and solutions being worked on and tested and will be rolled out through the fleet.Can't say anymore than that.

 

[Sirius]

I don’t think anyone has offered anything factual over and above the Scotsman article.

Someone (and I can’t find the post) did allude to the situation not being as serious as some of the speculation on the go, but couldn’t offer details as it wouldn’t be worth their job!

 

[Sirius]

Problem has been identified and solutions being worked on and tested and will be rolled out through the fleet.Can't say anymore than that.

I suspect you can’t answer but are we looking at days/weeks or weeks/months?

Also are you aware if the ECS run in post 3100 was a 385?
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/M21243/2018/10/09/advanced

 

[thin_richmond]

Allegedly, the fault is that in a 7 car formation only the front 4 cars were breaking, the computer was not telling the rear 3 cars of the formation to break.

 

[Highlandspring]

That's what the media is reporting..........

 

[Chuggington21]

As chuff chuff said. Problem has been identified and a solution has been found. I believe they have tested it and driver training continues so take from that what you want.

 

[InOban]

Which probably explains why there is a delivery run in RTT for tomorrow. There would be no point in sending sets which would need mods before they could run.

 

[deltic08]

Allegedly, the fault is that in a 7 car formation only the front 4 cars were breaking, the computer was not telling the rear 3 cars of the formation to break.

Were the welds coming apart?

 

[Southsider]

Were the welds coming apart?

No, the brakes were broken causing the train to break

 

[DanNCL]

385015 is out on test today - passed through Paisley Gilmour Street about 10 minutes ago

 

[Highlandspring]

It's a driver training run.

 

[Sirius]

If December comes & Scotrail are still without 385s, what is the actual fall back plan? Add the 9 365s, keep the 314s and short-form everything else basically? If things like the all 6 car Airdrie trains were shelved then I guess that could free up some 320s for Cathcart/Neilston etc. Can Gourock drivers drive 320s? Realistically Ayrshire has to stay 380, but I guess some 334s could be robbed for North Clyde jobs to send even more 320s south & free more 380s for the E&G or North Berwick. Assume Dunblane & Alloa will be 365 as planned.

If the worst happens I can’t see them moving 334s and short forming Airdrie - Balloch. The latter probably yes but not both.

Almost all trains on E-G via Airdrie/Bathgate having six carriages is the standard line on Scotrail’s twitter if there are problems or short forming on the Falkirk High line.