ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

[jopsuk]

I'm suprised this would run as an HST service - entirely under the wires (I take it Cumbernauld to Grahamston through Greenhill Lower Jn is wired now)?

I think you've got confused by what I was saying- the five Edinburgh-Glasgow routes will NOT be part of the Inter7city network. They'll all be electric, with only the Falkirk High Express service conveying 1st class.

 

[JP66725]

Don’t suppose anyone knows today’s HST diagrams (if any) ?

Ta

 

[jingsmonty]

I think you've got confused by what I was saying- the five Edinburgh-Glasgow routes will NOT be part of the Inter7city network. They'll all be electric, with only the Falkirk High Express service conveying 1st class.

Got you - yes, I did think you were talking about the Inter7City service. My mistake!

 

[route101]

I'm suprised this would run as an HST service - entirely under the wires (I take it Cumbernauld to Grahamston through Greenhill Lower Jn is wired now)?

Unlikely but there is a chance one will do an E and G service

 

[stantheman]

So will there be certain 385s only which have first class ?

 

[InOban]

The four coach sets have first class.

BTW I'm sure another poster suggested that the last HST arrival from Aberdeen will operate an E-G service to Edinburgh, since it has to return to Haymarket anyway. Whether there's a corresponding service in the early morning?

 

[43096]

So will there be certain 385s only which have first class ?

You ought to ask that in the 385 thread. This is about HSTs.

 

[jingsmonty]

The four coach sets have first class.

BTW I'm sure another poster suggested that the last HST arrival from Aberdeen will operate an E-G service to Edinburgh, since it has to return to Haymarket anyway. Whether there's a corresponding service in the early morning?

Definetly a blast from the past - right back to the 1980s, just without the "INTERCITY" swallow livery & half the coaches....

 

[scotraildriver]

The four coach sets have first class.

BTW I'm sure another poster suggested that the last HST arrival from Aberdeen will operate an E-G service to Edinburgh, since it has to return to Haymarket anyway. Whether there's a corresponding service in the early morning?

It won't. It goes to Eastfield.

 

[jingsmonty]

It won't. It goes to Eastfield.

makes sense

 

[Goldromans]

I personally cannot ever see an HST running an E-G service for various reasons: capacity (a 4/5 coach HST vs a 7/8 coach EMU) and how an HST could keep to the new EMU timings. It would make much more sense to move any HSTs that finish the day in Glasgow to Eastfield, surely?

 

[Highlandspring]

It might happen as a short notice step up, in the same way that a 156 went out on a North Berwick a few months ago. Quite unlikely though!

 

[jingsmonty]

I personally cannot ever see an HST running an E-G service for various reasons: capacity (a 4/5 coach HST vs a 7/8 coach EMU) and how an HST could keep to the new EMU timings. It would make much more sense to move any HSTs that finish the day in Glasgow to Eastfield, surely?

It might happen as a short notice step up, in the same way that a 156 went out on a North Berwick a few months ago. Quite unlikely though!

I don't know - a 4 coach HST is pretty quick (although you're right, in that the 385s are, I'm sure, extremely rapid from a standing start). Highlandspring is probably right in that it is extremely unlikely to happen. Personally, from what I've seen, I'd rather a refurboshed HST to a 385 any day (although, in fairness, the 385s are not really designed for long distance work anyway).

 

[Stoney1979]

One week to timetable change....

One refurbished and one "classic" in service so far, so aiui by this time next week 8 more classic HSTs will have to be in service to maintain services after the 170s depart?

Is that the case?

 

[chuff chuff]

One week to timetable change....

One refurbished and one "classic" in service so far, so aiui by this time next week 8 more classic HSTs will have to be in service to maintain services after the 170s depart?

Is that the case?

That's certainly the plan/hope.

 

[InOban]

When do the 170s go off lease and down South?

 

[chuff chuff]

Think three or four left the start of this month.

 

[scotraildriver]

When do the 170s go off lease and down South?

Today!

 

[Stoney1979]

Today!

Oh....

Am no expert but surely the whole thing must be hanging by a thread. I hope the classics are ready to go, otherwise the only consequence must be not enough trains to service the timetable. Unless other things have happened, some sort of Plan B is swinging in.

 

[Esker-pades]

Oh....

Am no expert but surely the whole thing must be hanging by a thread. I hope the classics are ready to go, otherwise the only consequence must be not enough trains to service the timetable. Unless other things have happened, some sort of Plan B is swinging in.

We're well past plan B. TOCs withdrawing staff from revenue-earning service to train them is a sure sign that there's a big mess on the horizon.

 

[mcmad]

Scotrail gave up all pretence of a service to SDA and Fife last Monday and things got steadily worse as the week went on. Will be amazed if someone isn't offered up as the sacrificial lamb before a week is out on the new timetable if this continues.

 

[InOban]

And I haven't heard confirmation that the ORR has authorised the SDA for public service. Won't affect the new Cumbernauld service,, since that route is already passed.

 

[mcmad]

hearing it should be ok but with a 75mph TSR EMU only between Larbert and Stirling due to additional dynamic load testing not being completed on time.

 

[connormill]

It might happen as a short notice step up, in the same way that a 156 went out on a North Berwick a few months ago. Quite unlikely though!

I know it's not really on topic, but a 156 was working to North Berwick on the 24th of November, I got it home after the rugby .

Nice big and (mostly) empty 7 car 385 on the way in, crammed into a 2 car 156 on the way back

 

[jopsuk]

It might happen as a short notice step up, in the same way that a 156 went out on a North Berwick a few months ago. Quite unlikely though!

Will Falkirk High have been assessed for stopping positions, etc? What about other intermediate stations?

 

[dmkc]

48 service cancellations today. .

 

[connormill]

48 service cancellations today. .

Is that because staff have been taken from their regular duties to do HST Training?

If so, why have they left it so late to train the second guys up, they have known about the timetable change for weeks.

 

[PHILIPE]

Is that because staff have been taken from their regular duties to do HST Training?

If so, why have they left it so late to train the second guys up, they have known about the timetable change for weeks.

They can't train until they have sets available to train on

 

[najaB]

Is this service an example of excessive dwell due to slam doors: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G10795/2018/12/03/advanced

It seems to get later at each station stop but not lose (much) time in between.

Edit: Damn! Fell victim to timing loads. Saw it coming across the bridge and it looked like a 170.

 

[agbrs_Jack]

Hello,
I am on the 09:44 INV-PTH on 13th December, is this supposed to be an HST and if so what's the chance of ScotRail having enough sets in service by then?