ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

[Highlandspring]

Not sure if it's for this thread, but it would be great to have a real-time feed on what the SR HSTs are doing on a daily basis.

Out of the 10 booked HST diagrams today, 5 are being covered by 170s. Of those 4 are because of driver traction knowledge and 1 is due to a powercar fault.

 

[chuff chuff]

Trained driver's is still a real sticking point,from what I hear Edinburgh Waverley especially.

 

[jingsmonty]

Your hml services on a weekday are as follows
0833 Edinburgh - Inverness
0944 Inverness - Edinburgh
1255 Inverness - Edinburgh
1336 Edinburgh - Inverness
1725 Inverness - Glasgow
1739 Edinburgh - Inverness

These may not all run though as they are 2 seperats diagrams so if they don't have required crew or maintenance issues they are replaced by 170s. Scotrails journeycheck on the formation updates will say if they are 3 instead of 4 which means it's a 170

I hope you didn't try catching the 0944 Inverness - Edinburgh Today. It was a 158!

 

[jingsmonty]

Trained driver's is still a real sticking point,from I hear Edinburgh Waverley especially.

It must be a nightmare for Edinburgh Traincrews just now, as they have Class 385s to train on as well. Hopefully this will ease off soon.

 

[Highland37]

Could someone be slightly more precise on arrival of set three beyond saying "imminent"?

This month?

 

[jingsmonty]

Could someone be slightly more precise on arrival of set three beyond saying "imminent"?

This month?

If I knew, I'd say.

 

[Highland37]

Fair enough but you did say you heard it was imminent. Where did you hear it?

Sounds to me that there is nothing imminent but something might appear. Production is such that "imminent" has become meaningless in this sense.

 

[chuff chuff]

Fair enough but you did say you heard it was imminent. Where did you hear it?

Sounds to me that there is nothing imminent but something might appear. Production is such that "imminent" has become meaningless in this sense.

I sure he'll have an update for you soon.

 

[Highland37]

I am not looking for a personal service. However, I do believe there is an extreme reluctance to recognise the issues. Saying something is "imminent" is a good way of doing that. No, I am not saying that @jingsmonty is in some kind of denial or trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes.

But I am saying that the new development of Wabtec and Scotrail saying all sets will be delivered by the end of the year, bears scrutiny and given that many people on here report movements of stock, we are able to say that it's not looking likely. End of 2020 maybe.

 

[jingsmonty]

I am not looking for a personal service. However, I do believe there is an extreme reluctance to recognise the issues. Saying something is "imminent" is a good way of doing that. No, I am not saying that @jingsmonty is in some kind of denial or trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes.

But I am saying that the new development of Wabtec and Scotrail saying all sets will be delivered by the end of the year, bears scrutiny and given that many people on here report movements of stock, we are able to say that it's not looking likely. End of 2020 maybe.

It was a reply from the Scotrail HST project manager to a question from someone asking on the staff social media site.

I didn't just make it up.

 

[najaB]

I didn't just make it up.

Plus, a delivery path has appeared at least once.

 

[jingsmonty]

Fair enough but you did say you heard it was imminent. Where did you hear it?

Sounds to me that there is nothing imminent but something might appear. Production is such that "imminent" has become meaningless in this sense.

How does the beginning of March grab you?

 

[InvHst]

I hope you didn't try catching the 0944 Inverness - Edinburgh Today. It was a 158!

Oh god..... Was planning Perth tomorrow wasn't it meant to be a 170? What happened

 

[jingsmonty]

Oh god..... Was planning Perth tomorrow wasn't it meant to be a 170? What happened

Supposed to be an HST - I guess that's all that was available. Inverness doesn't usually have any 170s sitting around, as only 158701-725 are based there.

On the upside, the 1255 was an HST....

 

[General Zod]

I hope you didn't try catching the 0944 Inverness - Edinburgh Today. It was a 158!

Any idea as to what happened to the HST scheduled for this run ?

 

[Stoney1979]

Out of the 10 booked HST diagrams today, 5 are being covered by 170s. Of those 4 are because of driver traction knowledge and 1 is due to a powercar fault.

Thanks for this info, much appreciated.

 

[Stoney1979]

Out of the 10 booked HST diagrams today, 5 are being covered by 170s. Of those 4 are because of driver traction knowledge and 1 is due to a powercar fault.

Out of interest, how/where do you find out this info?

 

[Highlandspring]

Out of interest, how/where do you find out this info?

Through internal rail industry channels.

 

[scotraildriver]

Out of the 10 booked HST diagrams today, 5 are being covered by 170s. Of those 4 are because of driver traction knowledge and 1 is due to a powercar fault.

Not so much lack of knowledge but ongoing training. 4 sets are "stopped" 1 at each - Inverness, Dundee, Eastfield and Perth for ongoing training courses so there will be 4 diagrams worked by 170s every day until the training is done.

 

[Highlandspring]

Perhaps someone should explain that to the Control Duty Manager then, as “driver traction knowledge” was the reason stated in the daily HST Start of Work information.

 

[chuff chuff]

I suppose driver traction knowledge or the lack there of could cover training trains.

 

[InvHst]

Supposed to be an HST - I guess that's all that was available. Inverness doesn't usually have any 170s sitting around, as only 158701-725 are based there.

On the upside, the 1255 was an HST....

The 944 is the 614 from Aberdeen which scotrails advertised as a 170.... Whoops

 

[DannyMich2018]

Perhaps someone should explain that to the Control Duty Manager then, as “driver traction knowledge” was the reason stated in the daily HST Start of Work information.

The first unrefurbished HST's arrived in Scotland way back in November 2017!! I'm sure if Scotrail was properly organised (staffed) training would have finished some time ago and we wouldn't have substitutions or cancellations. Let's not even mention Wabtec here..... BR took just six years to built nearly 200 power cars and 700+ coaches, Wabtec have took more than two years to just refurbish/rebuild just 5 sets so far....

 

[Stoney1979]

Through internal rail industry channels.

Ah I see, thanks.

 

[jingsmonty]

Not so much lack of knowledge but ongoing training. 4 sets are "stopped" 1 at each - Inverness, Dundee, Eastfield and Perth for ongoing training courses so there will be 4 diagrams worked by 170s every day until the training is done.

Sounds right. It's a short term pain, but it's the right thing to do

 

[scotraildriver]

Perhaps someone should explain that to the Control Duty Manager then, as “driver traction knowledge” was the reason stated in the daily HST Start of Work information.

The duty manager is well aware of the situation. It's just the way it's being reported. Sets being used to train drivers who don't have traction knowledge.

 

[nat67]

Sounds right. It's a short term pain, but it's the right thing to do

As the saying 'Short term pain for long term gain' or that's the hope by the May timetable change

 

[Highlandspring]

The duty manager is well aware of the situation. It's just the way it's being reported. Sets being used to train drivers who don't have traction knowledge.

Aye, good.

 

[InvHst]

Sooner the hsts are here the better tbh very worrying news that the 2040 Edinburgh to Perth this evening broke down at markinch and was emergency evacuated

 

[scotraildriver]

It was a hot axle box.