ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

[hwl]

Full electrification to INV and ABD must be several years from completion, perhaps more than ten (sorry don't recall whether dates have been published)? I'd be surprised if the HSTs could soldier on for that long, of if DR would want them to, when for their final few years a significant proportion of running would be under the wires. So I'd have thought bi-modes would be the way to go, at least for the interim.

TS appear to think they have reasonable life span left in the decarb report at the end of July. They seemed quite clear they didn't want short term investment

There are comparatively few structures for clearance problems so not as involves as recent schemes e.g. GWML, MML, Edinburgh - Glasgow or NW Phase 1-4 & 6.

 

[DB]

Full electrification to INV and ABD must be several years from completion, perhaps more than ten (sorry don't recall whether dates have been published)? I'd be surprised if the HSTs could soldier on for that long, of if DR would want them to, when for their final few years a significant proportion of running would be under the wires. So I'd have thought bi-modes would be the way to go, at least for the interim.

Can't see any real reason why HSTs couldn't last that long if they had to - they are well-built, and provided any corrosion is repaired before it gets too bad should be OK.

 

[Northhighland]

Think there would be a few obstacles on Highland mainline. Couple of tunnels that would need sorted.

 

[najaB]

Think there would be a few obstacles on Highland mainline. Couple of tunnels that would need sorted.

There's been some discussion of same on the Scottish Electrification updates & discussion thread.

 

[47271]

Never mind Highland Main Line electrification, which I'd be amazed if we see this side of 2035 given that the A9 was supposed to be fully dualled in four years time.

On topic and of more immediate concern on the route: at this rate of output and availability of stabling, when will get our full HST timetable? May 2021, December 2021...?

 

[BRX]

Never mind Highland Main Line electrification, which I'd be amazed if we see this side of 2035 given that the A9 was supposed to be fully dualled in four years time.

On topic and of more immediate concern on the route: at this rate of output and availability of stabling, when will get our full HST timetable? May 2021, December 2021...?

Surely that now depends more on what covid does, than the rate of delivery.

 

[47271]

Surely that now depends more on what covid does, than the rate of delivery.

Good point, but I'd like to think that we'd get our long awaited improvements to HML service to some sort of timescale that isn't entirely driven by Covid. Bear in mind that we're back to a full timetable again - not that it was ever reduced much even in the early days of lockdown.

 

[InOban]

Realtime Trains - 009X 1145 Haymarket Depot to Doncaster Works Wagn Shops

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Looks like power cars going south.

And this time the movement is on its way.

 

[Stathern Jc]

Can anyone clarify what is done at "Doncaster Works Wagn Shops" as distinct from "Doncaster Works Wabtec" where we have seen the previous deliveries coming from?
Thanks

 

[InOban]

For some reason all the power car movements go to the Wgn shops while the deliveries come from Wabtec. Puzzled me too.

 

[Stathern Jc]

Thanks
Just made me wonder if it might have been something else being moved, and had no idea what could have been.

 

[gingertom]

Thanks
Just made me wonder if it might have been something else being moved, and had no idea what could have been.

could it be something as simple as somewhere to park them safely?

 

[XCTurbostar]

43142 and 43143

 

[St. Paddy]

Path in for Friday to Slateford

 

[Cashew]

Path in for Friday to Slateford

Don't hold your breath ! I have a feeling it will be canceled, but I hope I am wrong.

 

[InOban]

You were not wrong.

 

[jamieintercity]

There are paths in for Tuesday and Thursday next week

 

[47271]

To save me scrolling back through the thread, can anyone tell me how many refurbed sets there are now - operational, or stored awaiting reopening of the Aberdeen line?

 

[DannyMich2018]

To save me scrolling back through the thread, can anyone tell me how many refurbed sets there are now - operational, or stored awaiting reopening of the Aberdeen line?

There have been 20 sets delivered, the last delivered on 17th August, although as know one has been most likely wrote off in the awful Stonehaven accident so 19 operational sets, likely number 21 will be coming up north possibly in the next few days as per post #12107 with 22 possibly not far behind.

 

[fishquinn]

Apparently a set has been out working Fife Circle turns today - 126/137 reported on 1219 Edinburgh-Cowdenbeath and return and 1423 Edinburgh-Cowdenbeath+return

 

[Speed43125]

Apparently a set has been out working Fife Circle turns today - 126/137 reported on 1219 Edinburgh-Cowdenbeath and return and 1423 Edinburgh-Cowdenbeath+return

Not surprised given the high service level now and the lack of Mk.2s. Though I would have rejected the idea if it had been on Speculative Ideas, it appears we are now there I guess.

Did it run with only have one power car?

 

[route101]

Not surprised given the high service level now and the lack of Mk.2s. Though I would have rejected the idea if it had been on Speculative Ideas, it appears we are now there I guess.

Did it run with only have one power car?

I thought there was enough 158s and 170s ?

 

[Speed43125]

I thought there was enough 158s and 170s ?

That's what was repeatedly said yes. I suppose this allowed for other services elsewhere to be longer given some of IC7 is still shut? (a la XC where this is always cited)

 

[hexagon789]

Did it run with only have one power car?

I assume you mean powering rather than physically?

 

[DB]

I assume you mean powering rather than physically?

It has been done in the past! I remember NXEC doing the morning Leeds to Aberdeen (which had to start at York) with one power car as far as Edinburgh at least once. Nothing attached at the back.

 

[hexagon789]

It has been done in the past! I remember NXEC doing the morning Leeds to Aberdeen (which had to start at York) with one power car as far as Edinburgh at least once. Nothing attached at the back.

True, but I don't see that occurring nowadays unless in an emergency.

Given the set ran two return trips, it must've had a second power car, but it's very possible only one 43 was powering. The first outward service did lose 7 mins time according to RTT

 

[DB]

True, but I don't see that occurring nowadays unless in an emergency.

Given the set ran two return trips, it must've had a second power car, but it's very possible only one 43 was powering. The first outward service did lose 7 mins time according to RTT

It's only ever been done in an emergency - there would be no sense in doing it unless it couldn't really be avoided.

 

[alangla]

It has been done in the past! I remember NXEC doing the morning Leeds to Aberdeen (which had to start at York) with one power car as far as Edinburgh at least once. Nothing attached at the back.

Vaguely remember something posted on scot-rail about that train once running with no rear power car, a knackered one on the front providing ETH only and the Doncaster thunderbird tied to the front actually hauling it. Needless to say it was either 2 fresh power cars or a set swap at Waverley

 

[Blindtraveler]

If we have sunk to the level of of replacing turbo or sprinter on Edinburgh area local diesel diagrams then at least put them on something we're they might perform reasonably well, a borders service entirely crewed by Edinburgh drivers and guards in both directions perhaps? Would certainly be interesting to try one out on that section

 

[92002]

Would it have been any better (from a vandalism point of view) than Slateford?

Seem to remember that Wabtec have closed a Kilmarnock site recently.

Perhaps a deal can be struck with them.

Although it would be better to open it up again and convert HSTs there. Might just save on dead mileage going to Doncaster and help an ailing economy in Ayrshire.