ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

[Northhighland]

That livery looks really good. Roll on their introduction.

 

[Macwomble]

Roll on their introduction.

....and so say all of us!!

 

[shap summit]

I believe I saw a training run on Wednesday 8th, about lunch time, between Dundee and Broughty Ferry, I was driving into Dundee and a HST went past in the opposite direction. It was only when it was passed that I realized that it was a short set. So I guess that it was going to Aberdeen.

 

[ash39]

Have they been painted or is it just vinyl over the FGW blue base?

They do look good, and considerably better than the initial renders which showed a paler blue which looked poor. I still think they'd have looked good in standard dotty ScotRail livery though...

 

[route101]

Have they been painted or is it just vinyl over the FGW blue base?

They do look good, and considerably better than the initial renders which showed a paler blue which looked poor. I still think they'd have looked good in standard dotty ScotRail livery though...

Yeah i thought they would look good in Scotrail blue too.

 

[43096]

Have they been painted or is it just vinyl over the FGW blue base?

They do look good, and considerably better than the initial renders which showed a paler blue which looked poor. I still think they'd have looked good in standard dotty ScotRail livery though...

They are being repainted at Brush, with the detail of the "landscape" added by vinyl.

And I agree, they would look better in the standard ScotRail livery.

 

[ash39]

They are being repainted at Brush, with the detail of the "landscape" added by vinyl.

And I agree, they would look better in the standard ScotRail livery.

Thanks for the info. The yellow warning panel being exactly the same as the FGW livery made me question it!

Blue looks to be a very similar shade too.

 

[Highlandspring]

And I agree, they would look better in the standard ScotRail livery.

The problem with that is how to deal with the doors, which have to be in a contrasting colour. The Fife Circle loco hauled stock looks pretty poor round the coach ends as a result.

 

[43096]

Thanks for the info. The yellow warning panel being exactly the same as the FGW livery made me question it!

Blue looks to be a very similar shade too.

The yellow is actually different if you look at a front end view - on FGW cars it carries on down the side of the light cluster, which it doesn't on the ScotRail version.

 

[Tempest3K]

The yellow is actually different if you look at a front end view - on FGW cars it carries on down the side of the light cluster, which it doesn't on the ScotRail version.

Indeed, took this earlier today....
View media item 3038

 

[superalbs]

Indeed, took this earlier today....
View media item 3038

What did you take?

Is there meant to be an image there?

 

[Rail Blues]

Yeah i thought they would look good in Scotrail blue too.

I think the new livery works very well on the units and really don't think the ecisexis Scotrail liberty would work on a loco like 43 which is all curving lines. Plus, painting them up in standard Scotrail livery would deemphasise the fact that this is an inter city service and different from the commuter/regional stock Scotrail has generally operated to date.

 

[Class313:)]

Has anyone got a side-on URL pic thats not twitter? Twitter sends an invalid response apparently

 

[380101]

Could be set back a bit with Driver training. The lead HST driver trainer resigned on Friday and is away to FGW!

 

[route101]

I think the new livery works very well on the units and really don't think the ecisexis Scotrail liberty would work on a loco like 43 which is all curving lines. Plus, painting them up in standard Scotrail livery would deemphasise the fact that this is an inter city service and different from the commuter/regional stock Scotrail has generally operated to date.

I suppose . I look forward to trying them out . i think they still will be very busy and should of been 6 cars

 

[CJSwan]

I agree that they should be 6 cars, perhaps a mix of 5 and 6. I was on a 5 car from Aberdeen to Glasgow and then back yesterday (granted it was a Sunday) and all carriages were pretty busy for most of the way in each direction.

 

[jopsuk]

I'm still convinced that having a mix of lengths is going to end up regularly with the shorter ones on busy services whilst a longer one trundles along empty

 

[route101]

I agree that they should be 6 cars, perhaps a mix of 5 and 6. I was on a 5 car from Aberdeen to Glasgow and then back yesterday (granted it was a Sunday) and all carriages were pretty busy for most of the way in each direction.

Yeah , usually a 3 car 170 on that route too .

 

[RichJF]

I agree that they should be 6 cars, perhaps a mix of 5 and 6. I was on a 5 car from Aberdeen to Glasgow and then back yesterday (granted it was a Sunday) and all carriages were pretty busy for most of the way in each direction.

Or keep them a uniform length of 2+5. No backlash from passengers for getting a shorter set & no problems with timetabling.

 

[Northhighland]

I know a good few people who drive to Edinburgh and Glasgow from Inverness because the train is regularly rammed especially leaving on the return Journey. I think they would be easily persuaded back to rail and the HST would be attractive, the East coast service is always busy getting into Inverness.

So demand may well increase, so 2+5 all round would seem sensible to me. Also rarely see 1st class on the 170's used that much, not sure what know of pricing they will put on the HST first class. Hard to see why a whole carriage will be used.

 

[Clansman]

The yellow is actually different if you look at a front end view - on FGW cars it carries on down the side of the light cluster, which it doesn't on the ScotRail version.

First class is always rammed on Inverness services, and I imagine the enhanced provision on the HSTs will make paying the upgrade more worthwhile.

 

[marks87]

I know a good few people who drive to Edinburgh and Glasgow from Inverness because the train is regularly rammed especially leaving on the return Journey. I think they would be easily persuaded back to rail and the HST would be attractive, the East coast service is always busy getting into Inverness.

So demand may well increase, so 2+5 all round would seem sensible to me. Also rarely see 1st class on the 170's used that much, not sure what know of pricing they will put on the HST first class. Hard to see why a whole carriage will be used.

It's a half-carriage of First Class per set (the buffet coach).

 

[NotATrainspott]

IIRC, there are depot issues preventing a consistent 2+5 fleet immediately.

Since most routes are run by 3-car 170s today, and the HST-served routes are seeing general capacity/frequency improvements anyway (A2I, hourly to Inverness, Glasgow-Dundee-Aberdeen stopper, etc) it might not be necessary anyway. Clearly though adding some extra Mk3 trailers isn't going to be the end of the world if it's absolutely required.

 

[ScottDarg]

Power cars 43012 and 163 moved down to Loughborough Brush today on 0M43 09:00 Haymarket - Loughborough Brush: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O67599/2018/02/12/advanced

 

[Mag_seven]

Power cars 43012 and 163 moved down to Loughborough Brush today on 0M43 09:00 Haymarket - Loughborough Brush: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O67599/2018/02/12/advanced

And it looks like there is something coming the other way tomorrow:

0S04 0810 Loughborough Brush to Craigentinny T.&R.S.M.D

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O67284/2018/02/13/advanced

 

[Northhighland]

It's a half-carriage of First Class per set (the buffet coach).

Makes sense. Thanks.

 

[380101]

And it looks like there is something coming the other way tomorrow:

0S04 0810 Loughborough Brush to Craigentinny T.&R.S.M.D

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O67284/2018/02/13/advanced

The fully refurbished and re liveried power cars are moving up to Craigentinny tomorrow. Thats the move you have linked on RTT.

 

[43096]

The fully refurbished and re liveried power cars are moving up to Craigentinny tomorrow. Thats the move you have linked on RTT.

If you think the ScotRail power cars are "fully refurbished" then you are very much mistaken. Cab repairs, fitting of traction/brake interlock and a repaint do not constitute fully refurbished in my book.

 

[InOban]

Mid February was suggested by poster from there over a month ago, so at least they're not getting more delayed.

 

[380101]

If you think the ScotRail power cars are "fully refurbished" then you are very much mistaken. Cab repairs, fitting of traction/brake interlock and a repaint do not constitute fully refurbished in my book.

I couldnt care less what they've done with them as I'll not be driving them thankfully!
The "fully refurbished" is what the project manager refers to them as. They've done them on the cheap, especially not fitting the WSP/sanders. I'll stick to my 380s and 156s