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ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

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Looking somewhat into the future, does anyone have an idea of how long it will take to get the 17 ‘fifth coach’ Mk3’s once the last 4-coach set is delivered? I assume the TS coaches are the ‘easiest’ to refurb (no buffet, accesible toilet etc)?
 
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Goldromans said:
Looking somewhat into the future, does anyone have an idea of how long it will take to get the 17 ‘fifth coach’ Mk3’s once the last 4-coach set is delivered? I assume the TS coaches are the ‘easiest’ to refurb (no buffet, accesible toilet etc)?
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At the rate they're churning the refurb coaches out now (about one set every 3 weeks), they should be able to do this in about 3 months assuming it's 17 coaches. Although from what I understand, all sets are now due to be strengthened to 5 coaches. Assuming that's the case, we'd be looking at about 20 weeks.

If they switched up to using TGS vehicles, they would theoretically be even easier to refurb as you would only have 2 doors to replace per vehicle and it would help address the lack of bike storage, but I'm not sure if that would have knock-on impacts on things like door control as this is obviously done elsewhere right now.
 
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With the HSTs now in the fleet, will this allow strengthening of other EMU services.
Most likely planned for May tt change but will obviously delayed - would this see the Edinburgh / Glasgow to Aberdeen / Inverness move to fully HST operation.

Hopefully the 5th car enhancements happen and can be quickly done
 
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The sets are being renumbered from today to match the numbers of the 40xxx vehicles. So 40626 is now HA26 etc.
 
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scotraildriver said:
The sets are being renumbered from today to match the numbers of the 40xxx vehicles. So 40626 is now HA26 etc.
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That's my platform 5 book out of date then!
I assume this is to allow easy identification of the sets for staff?
 
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It was always the plan but Wabtec delivered the vehicles in the wrong order apparently and the numbering of the classic sets clashed. Now they've gone the refurbs have gained their correct numbers.
 
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scotraildriver said:
It was always the plan but Wabtec delivered the vehicles in the wrong order apparently and the numbering of the classic sets clashed. Now they've gone the refurbs have gained their correct numbers.
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Right, thanks for clarification.
 
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This is what I got.
HA01 40601 42004 42561 42046 ex HA26
HA02 40602 42292 42562 42045 ex HA25
HA03 40603 42021 42557 42014 ex HA13
HA04 40604 42183 42559 42343 ex HA24
HA05 40605 42345 42034 42184 ex HA23

HA08 40608 42275 42571 42019 ex HA22
HA09 40609 42253 42107 42257 ex HA15
HA10 40610 42360 42551 42252 ex HA17

HA12 40612 42055 42576 42276 ex HA21

HA16 40616 42291 42557 42075 ex HA20

HA18 40618 42297 42555 42143 ex HA14

HA22 40622 42007 42145 42564 ex HA12

HA24 40624 42265 42553 42293 ex HA18
HA25 40625 42259 42578 42333 ex HA19
HA26 40626 42281 42072 42350 ex HA16
 
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Thanks for that info.
I'd just lost track of the number of refurbs there are now.
Does anyone know the extent to which progress is possible in the current situation?
I like to hope there could be a few more by summer and that it will be possible for normality to be mostly restored. Each delivery is good news, but the list does remind me that we are only around halfway towards the full number of (4-car) sets.
 
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As far as things returning to "normality" by this summer is concerned, I suspect the number of HSTs available is pretty far down the list of things that will determine whether that is in any way likely to occur.
 
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BRX said:
As far as things returning to "normality" by this summer is concerned, I suspect the number of HSTs available is pretty far down the list of things that will determine whether that is in any way likely to occur.
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Absolutely.
Apologies if the comment could have been interpreted as "putting the cart before the horse". There will be plenty of serious issues to think about for quite some time ahead of what is primarily curiosity.
 
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Doing a little digging around for tit-bit info and found two small things.

1) Wabtec Doncaster still working

2) Kilmarnock were to do up to 26 mk3 coaches, starting a year ago.
That number suggests this is where the 5th coach for each set was coming from? Difficult to get timelines right but after there was a pause in production after set 3/4 (I think) then the Kilmarnock work was announced and we did rumour that Scotrail committed to 5 for all sets.
Not sure where that leaves things because that works is closing. However, it could suggest that it will close once this work is complete. Anyone know if anything has been complete from Kilmarnock?
 
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Steven_G said:
Doing a little digging around for tit-bit info and found two small things.

1) Wabtec Doncaster still working

2) Kilmarnock were to do up to 26 mk3 coaches, starting a year ago.
That number suggests this is where the 5th coach for each set was coming from? Difficult to get timelines right but after there was a pause in production after set 3/4 (I think) then the Kilmarnock work was announced and we did rumour that Scotrail committed to 5 for all sets.
Not sure where that leaves things because that works is closing. However, it could suggest that it will close once this work is complete. Anyone know if anything has been complete from Kilmarnock?
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The first vehicle converted at Kilmarnock was in the original HA16 delivered a few months back. There have been several more since.
 
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I assume that it's cancelled - hasn't left. I guess another STP will appear.
 
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It's been cancelled due to an excluded reason (PL). Never seen that before. Anyone able to explain?
 
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Whatever the reason, it's now rescheduled for Thursday at the same time.
 
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