Scotrail Kid for a Quid questions

[SandsofEss]

I've got a couple of questions about the Scotrail 'Kid for a Quid' tickets. Any advice gratefully received.

1) Is it possible to buy these from a ticket office in England? The Scotrail website only mentions Scotrail ticket offices, but I'm keen to procure the ones I need in advance if possible.

2) Is an overnight break of journey allowed when unavoidable? I'd be buying tickets from Edinburgh to Kyle of Lochalsh. We'd arrive in Inverness after the final train to Kyle has left. Are we allowed to catch the first train the following morning, or would I need to buy new tickets?

 

[najaB]

Is an overnight break of journey allowed when unavoidable? ... Are we allowed to catch the first train the following morning, or would I need to buy new tickets?

Depends on the ticket restriction code but that is almost always allowed.

Edit: As I read it the kids tickets have the same restrictions as the adult ticket(s).

 

[Bungle965]

1) Is it possible to buy these from a ticket office in England? The Scotrail website only mentions Scotrail ticket offices, but I'm keen to procure the ones I need in advance if possible.

Nothing to stop it being sold in the England, Carlisle for instance is in England and frequently sells this ticket.

 

[hexagon789]

Is it possible to buy these from a ticket office in England? The Scotrail website only mentions Scotrail ticket offices, but I'm keen to procure the ones I need in advance if possible.

While it sats ScotRail ticket offices only, I believe Carlisle sells them, possibly because of the ScotRail Glasgow via Kilmarnock services. There's no absolute need to buy them in advance though, you can still buy them seperately to already purchased adult tickets if necessary.

Is an overnight break of journey allowed when unavoidable? I'd be buying tickets from Edinburgh to Kyle of Lochalsh. We'd arrive in Inverness after the final train to Kyle has left. Are we allowed to catch the first train the following morning, or would I need to buy new tickets?

Depends on the ticket restriction code but that is almost always allowed.

BoJ is expressly not permitted with Kid's for a Quid tickets unfortunately.

 

[SandsofEss]

Thanks all. So in theory, I should be able to ask my local ticket office in Kent to sell me these tickets? (Appreciate I don't need to buy in advance, but I derive some comfort from doing so).

Out of interest, when is something classed as a BoJ, versus just a really long connection time (i.e., when the only opportunity to complete the journey is by waiting overnight)? Or is that opening a can of worms..?

 

[najaB]

BoJ is expressly not permitted with Kid's for a Quid tickets unfortunately.

But isn't a voluntary BoJ different to overnight. I'm about 95% sure that it used to be spelled out in the NRCoC but I can't see a corresponding term in the NRCoT.

 

[hexagon789]

But isn't a voluntary BoJ different to overnight. I'm about 95% sure that it used to be spelled out in the NRCoC but I can't see a corresponding term in the NRCoT.

Don't know about that, sorry. Just the Kid for a Quid T&Cs state no break of journey allowed except for the purpose of changing trains within a journey.

 

[najaB]

Don't know about that, sorry. Just the Kid for a Quid T&Cs state no break of journey allowed except for the purpose of changing trains within a journey.

It always used to be the case that if a journey couldn't be completed in one day, it could be continued the following morning but no further breaks of journey were allowed (other than to change trains).

 

[Haywain]

It always used to be the case that if a journey couldn't be completed in one day, it could be continued the following morning but no further breaks of journey were allowed (other than to change trains).

That depends on the ticket, I think. The Kid for a Quid tickets are only issued with one day of validity, as far as I know. The overnight break of journey doesn’t apply to day tickets.

 

[najaB]

The overnight break of journey doesn’t apply to day tickets.

I seem to remember that it did. The rule for day tickets was that all travel had to be completed by 0429 the next day, unless it was a journey that could not be completed in one day. In which case you could resume your travel the next day (was there a rule about having to use the first available train?) and then had no further BoJ other than for connectional purposes.

I took advantage of this several times when I'd get the Sleeper down to London and then a GWR out of Paddington to Cardiff. I also did it a couple of times with the Sleeper to Preston and then a day train to Birmingham New Street.

 

[Haywain]

I took advantage of this several times when I'd get the Sleeper down to London and then a GWR out of Paddington to Cardiff. I also did it a couple of times with the Sleeper to Preston and then a day train to Birmingham New Street.

You were almost certain;y not using day tickets for those journeys - the difference between an Off Peak Day Single and an Off Peak Single is that the overnight break only applies to the latter.

 

[najaB]

You were almost certain;y not using day tickets for those journeys - the difference between an Off Peak Day Single and an Off Peak Single is that the overnight break only applies to the latter.

Are they issued as two day singles? The bumph suggests that they are issued as period return, and BRFares.com suggests the same: https://www.brfares.com/!faredetail?orig=EDB&dest=KYL&tkt=KWA

VALIDITY
One journey in each direction to be made within:
Outward Validity: AS ADVERTISED (1 day)
Return Validity: AS ADVERTISED (1 month

 

[Russel]

Thanks all. So in theory, I should be able to ask my local ticket office in Kent to sell me these tickets? (Appreciate I don't need to buy in advance, but I derive some comfort from doing so).

Can you update us on this thread if you do decided to buy them in advance, please?

Reason I ask is I'm considering doing the same for a day trip up to Glasgow with my lad in a few weeks and it would save me a bit of time if it's possible, but I'm not convicted that my local LNWR ticket office will have a clue what I'm asking for, anything more complicated than "return to New Street please", seems to raise eyebrows...!

 

[Haywain]

Are they issued as two day singles? The bumph suggests that they are issued as period return, and BRFares.com suggests the same: https://www.brfares.com/!faredetail?orig=EDB&dest=KYL&tkt=KWA

OK, they are issued as period returns but the Scotrail website says clearly that break of journey is not allowed.

 

[Bungle965]

Can you update us on this thread if you do decided to buy them in advance, please?

Reason I ask is I'm considering doing the same for a day trip up to Glasgow with my lad in a few weeks and it would save me a bit of time if it's possible, but I'm not convicted that my local LNWR ticket office will have a clue what I'm asking for, anything more complicated than "return to New Street please", seems to raise eyebrows...!

Sadly true for a number of booking offices, the idea of looking something up (Almost like there‘s an internal lookup for these sort of things) is beyond some but that’s getting off topic.

Looking at your username, Tribute X is what LNWR use so it should be as simple as a normal origin-destination search to find it.

 

[najaB]

OK, they are issued as period returns but the Scotrail website says clearly that break of journey is not allowed.

I agree that voluntary break of journey isn't allowed.

What I'm less sure about is if you have an itinerary that can't be completed in one day that you wouldn't be allowed to complete it the next day.

I'll play around with the journey planner and see what it throws up.

 

[SandsofEss]

Can you update us on this thread if you do decided to buy them in advance, please?

Reason I ask is I'm considering doing the same for a day trip up to Glasgow with my lad in a few weeks and it would save me a bit of time if it's possible, but I'm not convicted that my local LNWR ticket office will have a clue what I'm asking for, anything more complicated than "return to New Street please", seems to raise eyebrows...!

Successfully bought yesterday in Kent.

The transaction was fairly straightforward. It didn't feel like the clerk needed to spend time looking anything up.

I think it helped that there's a similar Kid for a Quid offer here. He did seem surprised that it was valid for a seven hour journey though.

 

[najaB]

The transaction was fairly straightforward. It didn't feel like the clerk needed to spend time looking anything up.

I think it helped that there's a similar Kid for a Quid offer here. He did seem surprised that it was valid for a seven hour journey though.

Out of curiosity, did your itinerary feature an overnight break of journey?

 

[SandsofEss]

Out of curiosity, did your itinerary feature an overnight break of journey?

I didn't get an itinerary, though the clerk clearly saw one (silly of me - I should have asked).

Your previous post gets to the nub of my original question. Is it a "break of journey" when an overnight break is necessary to complete the ticketed trip?

 

[najaB]

Your previous post gets to the nub of my original question. Is it a "break of journey" when an overnight break is necessary to complete the ticketed trip?

Under the previous Conditions of Carriage it was defined not to be, but the current Conditions of Travel don't say one way or the other.

I didn't get an itinerary, though the clerk clearly saw one (silly of me - I should have asked).

Shame that you didn't because that would have eliminated any doubt - an itinerary provided at point of sale overrides most (all?) other terms and conditions.