Scottish HLOS for CP6 (2019-24)

[The BIgman1234]

It was not called the Dolphinton line .
That line ran from a point between Carstairs South & Carstairs East, turning right & then strangely enough heading off to a place called Dolphinton .

There is no creepy crawl past the State Hospital, there is a 30 MPH limit past it .
There is no neutral section near it either .
I don’t see the need to be a drama queen about a railway passing by a secure location for the criminally insane .
Many years ago, I believe the hospital was split in two sections & one part was a lot nearer the railway & accessed by the bridge which is still in place today .

Actually it’s a Psychiatric hospital a lot of people in there who ain’t criminals.

 

[gsnedders]

Would there be any possibility of some end-to-end E-G demand being catered for by a fast(ish) service routeing to and from Central via Shotts? I appreciate it couldn't be as quick a journey as via Falkirk High, but with the growth of employment around Central (e.g.Barclays on the southern side of the Clyde) the total journey time (including walking to and from the station) could be similar for people with an origin or destination in that area.

Such a service could allow some room for growth to and from the intermediate stations via Falkirk High before committing to further infrastructure.

There's not the capacity on the southern lines at Haymarket for more trains there; a large part of the Dalmeny Curve is avoiding the need to take up capacity on the lines between Newbridge Jn and Haymarket East Jn.

 

[The BIgman1234]

Sounds like excellent news - many thanks. Do you know what the speed limit was on the old avoiding line from Carlisle to Edinbugh? Not sure when it was removed, but it is still clear on Google maps.

Am sure an old signaller told me it was built for the Queen ..

 

[Tobbes]

No it doesn’t , & would not need a new bridge .

The old formation reaches the WCML before it crosses the river Clyde , on the Carstairs side of Float Viaduct

Thanks, thats very interesting. Can we estimate what speed it would allow if reinstated?

 

[Mordac]

It was not called the Dolphinton line .
That line ran from a point between Carstairs South & Carstairs East, turning right & then strangely enough heading off to a place called Dolphinton .

There is no creepy crawl past the State Hospital, there is a 30 MPH limit past it .
There is no neutral section near it either .
I don’t see the need to be a drama queen about a railway passing by a secure location for the criminally insane .
Many years ago, I believe the hospital was split in two sections & one part was a lot nearer the railway & accessed by the bridge which is still in place today .

There most certainly is a neutral section.



Not only that, there's another immediately south of the junction as well.

 

[InOban]

I was assuming that if reinstated you would want a high speed, preferably grade separated junction, which would, I think need a new bridge
Certainly NR would probably ignore the original formation as being of unknown construction.

 

[The BIgman1234]

Thanks, thats very interesting. Can we estimate what speed it would allow if reinstated?

Don’t think we’ll need to worry about the speed as I can’t see it ever opening again and I’ve never seen it on any new signalling diagrams .
Quite amazing how far you can following the old Dolphinton line on google maps after all these years

 

[The BIgman1234]

There most certainly is a neutral section.



Not only that, there's another immediately south of the junction as well.

Quite a few neutral section around carstairs . All needed to separate OHL sections LA 1&2 GC 1&2 and LC 3&4 .

 

[Put Kettle On]

There most certainly is a neutral section.



Not only that, there's another immediately south of the junction as well.

Nice try, but the one you at bottom of page is 79m 40ch, 6 miles or so from Carstairs.
Yes, there is one at 15 MPH curve to Carstairs South & also on single line to station .
I also imagine there would be more chance of being stopped at a signal, rather than in a neutral section, but also being a station at Carstairs, I do not imagine there is any fear of alarm of using it, due to the proximity of State Hospital without “ shuddering to think what might happen “

 

[The BIgman1234]

Nice try, but the one you at bottom of page is 79m 40ch, 6 miles or so from Carstairs.
Yes, there is one at 15 MPH curve to Carstairs South & also on single line to station .
I also imagine there would be more chance of being stopped at a signal, rather than in a neutral section, but also being a station at Carstairs, I do not imagine there is any fear of alarm of using it, due to the proximity of State Hospital without “ shuddering to think what might happen “

Trust me it’s nowhere near 6 miles from carstairs .

 

[Mordac]

Nice try, but the one you at bottom of page is 79m 40ch, 6 miles or so from Carstairs.
Yes, there is one at 15 MPH curve to Carstairs South & also on single line to station .
I also imagine there would be more chance of being stopped at a signal, rather than in a neutral section, but also being a station at Carstairs, I do not imagine there is any fear of alarm of using it, due to the proximity of State Hospital without “ shuddering to think what might happen “

I obviously meant the one at the top, 7 chords from the junction....

 

[Put Kettle On]

I was referring to the neutral section at 79m 40ch not the Hospital .

 

[Mordac]

So was I



Is this clearer??

 

[Put Kettle On]

The neutral section at 73m 34ch is an awful lot closer to the station than the Hospital

 

[The BIgman1234]

Trust me it’s nowhere near 6 miles from carstairs .

I was referring to the neutral section at 79m 40ch not the Hospital .

The neural section at the 79 mile is at Auchengray , nowhere near Carstairs . Your man is talking about the 73 mile one .

 

[Put Kettle On]

Calm down , there are signals a lot closer to Hospital that there is more likelihood of being stopped, than the chance of stopping in a neutral section

 

[The BIgman1234]

The neutral section at 73m 34ch is an awful lot closer to the station than the Hospital

You would be splitting hairs between the distance from the 73 mile post neutral section to the station/State hospital .

 

[Put Kettle On]

The neural section at the 79 mile is at Auchengray , nowhere near Carstairs . Your man is talking about the 73 mile one .

Which is not exactly near the Hospital

 

[The BIgman1234]

Calm down , there are signals a lot closer to Hospital that there is more likelihood of being stopped, than the chance of stopping in a neutral section

MC426 to be precise . And as you said earlier that’s where the old part of the hospital used to . They kept the right bad ones in there .

 

[The BIgman1234]

Which is not exactly near the Hospital

Yup it’s nowhere near the hospital but I don’t think yer man meant that one lol .

 

[InOban]

Don’t think we’ll need to worry about the speed as I can’t see it ever opening again and I’ve never seen it on any new signalling diagrams .
Quite amazing how far you can following the old Dolphinton line on google maps after all these years

I'm quite aware that reopening is completely crayonista. One train each way every hour!

 

[gsnedders]

I'm quite aware that reopening is completely crayonista. One train each way every hour!

Indeed. I think the only chance that has of being reinstated is if HS2 is extended north from Crewe to near Carstairs.

 

[route101]

Is the northernmost electric chord ever used at Carstairs?

 

[hwl]

Indeed. I think the only chance that has of being reinstated is if HS2 is extended north from Crewe to near Carstairs.

Or more likely HS2 needing a bit more of a total journey time reduction to Edinburgh for Phase 2 opening?

 

[Tobbes]

Or more likely HS2 needing a bit more of a total journey time reduction to Edinburgh for Phase 2 opening?

That's what I was thinking, certainly.

 

[hwl]

That's what I was thinking, certainly.

So if HS2 want it they pay for it, as I noted several pages ago!

 

[Tobbes]

So if HS2 want it they pay for it, as I noted several pages ago!

Agreed. Moderately sick of "who within rail is paying for it", but there you are.