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Sheffield/Rotherham Tram-Train update

Discussion in 'Other Public Transport' started by bladesman123, 18 Jun 2014.

  1. NoOnesFool

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    Supertram now have an expanding team of Revenue Protection Officers, so having your ticket checked is almost a dead cert.
     
  2. radamfi

    radamfi Established Member

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    How does that work when you can buy a ticket with no penalty on board anyway?
     
  3. skifans

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    The conductors usually just ask "any more fares please" and leave it at that (remember who paid?). Whereas the revenue protection people usually ask to see everyone's ticket. Quick sample of 3 journeys today and only saw normal conductors.
     
  4. radamfi

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    Presumably there can be no sanction other than actually paying the fare they should have paid?
     
  5. skifans

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    I don't know, I have never seen it happen (although I am not a regular tram user). I assume they catch people who have traveled beyond the destination on their ticket? Or maybe another chance to catch someone with an expired pass if the initial conductor didn't notice?
     
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    In those circumstances, l would expect the passenger to ask for a ticket rather than show an invalid ticket.
     
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    Surely, if the passenger has had an opportunity to pay the Conductor, but deliberately hasn't done so, then that would be an offence if caught, wouldn't it?
     
  8. radamfi

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    But you can always say that the conductor missed you. You would then have to go down the route of summoning CCTV or going off the memory of the conductor to prove otherwise. With a conductor there's always been the issue of missing passengers whereas with the pay before boarding systems used elsewhere there is no ambiguity.
     
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    The way I’ve always seen it work the conductor will liaise with the RPI and either say something like they’ve done everyone from this row forwards or if that’s not practical follow the RPI down the tram to point out the people who haven’t had a chance to pay yet. Seems pretty reliable though I’ll admit I rarely catch the tram at high peak loadings, and the RPIs on my stretch tend to operate between quieter stops that only get a handful of people getting on or off.
     
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    Allegedly, a Penalty Fare of £10 can be levied. I have never seen one issued, even to those who have been deliberately ignoring the conductor on multiple occasions.
     
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  11. skifans

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    The £10 penalty is listed although like sheff1 I have never seen it enforced, never paid too much attention to the rpis when going down but I assumed they liaise with the conductor about who said they do not have a valid ticket.
     

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    I've been living in Sheffield over a year and RPIs seem to be rare beasts.

    That said, conductors are keen to collect fares and only once do I recall sitting with fare in hand, looking up at the approaching conductor, smiling, only for him to smile back and walk past :lol:
     
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    From BBC News website; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-46784050

    Sheffield tram crashes prompt junction review plea

    Two collisions involving trams happened in the space of six weeks in 2018.

    Investigators have called for a safety review to be carried out after two tram crashes in six weeks at the same place.

    The Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) has written to Sheffield City Council following the collisions at the junction of Staniforth Road in October and November 2018.

    It said a "risk-based review" of the junction and road traffic signals should be carried out.

    The BBC has approached Sheffield City Council for a comment.

    On 25 October a lorry crashed with a tram at the junction injuring three people.

    Six weeks later, on 30 November, a car collided with a tram at the same location, badly damaging the car and injuring its occupants and a tram passenger.

    The RAIB said it had written to the chief executive of the council advising a review of the junction and road traffic signals was carried out, and "that prompt action is taken based on the findings of this review".

    It also raised concerns about the positioning of a pole carrying the tramway's overhead power lines, which it said had the potential to worsen the outcome of the 30 November collision.

    It said it had written to UK Tram, the trade body representing the UK light rail industry, asking it to consider whether guidance for the placement of the poles in close proximity to roads which cross tramways is required.

    Tim Bilby, managing director for Supertram which operates the service, said: "We are continuing to assist the police with their investigations into this incident [30 November] and are also carrying out our own investigations into the circumstances.

    "Therefore it would be inappropriate to comment further."

    A 60-year-old man, from Rotherham, is due to appear at Sheffield Magistrates' Court on 14 February in connection with the 25 October collision.
     

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