I have to be in Manchester on a Monday morning 10 days ahead for an 11am meeting. Having relatives in Leeds and Bolton, the default option for me is to drive up over the weekend and stay over on Sunday. Long drives don't worry me. Although a regular short distance commuter, I rarely use long distance trains. However, having done Shenfield to Norwich return yesterday for about £20, I thought I'd see what the best Advance price would be for Shenfield - Manchester return on the same day. £229!!!! Am I not working the system correctly? Yes, it's a Monday morning so I guess that's where most of the cost is but really? Given I already have the overhead costs of the car, I can get there and back for £65 in diesel.