Short Formed LNER Azuma Coach Letters

ryan125hst · 13 May 2021

With the well documented Azuma (and other Class 800's across the network) shortages, there are a number of 5 car Azumas operating services that should have been formed of a 9 car set. One thing that I have seen recently on LNER's website is an odd coach lettering scheme where a 5 car set is used instead of a 9 car set.

20:03 London Kings Cross to Leeds due 22:21 will call additionally at Grantham.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 9.
Additional Information:
We are sorry for the inconvenience this may cause to your journey today.

Further Info:
This service is formed of a different type of Azuma train from normal today and has a different layout. Reservations will be suspended on this service. If you wish to travel on an alternative service, please book a new reservation for that service. Standard Class is located in Coaches A, B, K and L. First Class is located in Coaches L and M. There is no Quiet Coach on this service. Universal accessible toilets are located in Coaches A & M. The CafeBar is located in Coach B.

For those of you that aren't familiar with their layout, Azumas are normally formed as follows:

5 Car: A-B-C-D-E
9 Car: A-B-C-G-H-J-K-L-M
10 Car: A-B-C-D-E--F-G-H-K-M

Yet the above quote from LNER's website shows a 5 car set as: A-B-K-L-M

Does this amended formation not cause confusion as I have never seen this publicised anywhere on LNER's website. Coach K normally contains both first and standard class seating, yet in the formation above it'll only contain standard class seats. Likewise, coach L is first class only on a 9 car Azuma, so why is it being used for the composite carriage here? Three services are short formed and are listed as such tonight.

If they aren't going to use A to E, I would have thought a formation such as A-B-C-K-M would make more sense to prevent confusion and share as much in common with a 9 car set as possible.

Has anyone seen an Azuma running with the coach letters shown in the quote from LNER's website? Can anyone shed any light into why LNER have chosen to do this in the event of a short formation?

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43094 · 14 May 2021

Keeps the nearest available proportion of Standard/First class seats, compared to the booked 9-car.

Coach C isn’t used as that’s the unreserved coach anyway, so (in theory) no/few people would be looking for that coach.

sbatty · 14 May 2021

can anybody tell me where i could possibly get the full iep formations including coach number

simon

D6975 · 14 May 2021

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it won't let me add the 802s until someone adds a post after mine

The Lad · 14 May 2021

There you are

D6975 · 14 May 2021

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ryan125hst · 15 May 2021

43094 said:
Keeps the nearest available proportion of Standard/First class seats, compared to the booked 9-car.

Coach C isn’t used as that’s the unreserved coach anyway, so (in theory) no/few people would be looking for that coach.

That makes some sense, but what about first class passengers that are booked in coach K that'll end up travelling in standard, or is coach K not normally reserved? Likewise what about those first class passengers booked in coach L that'll end up in the standard class section?

43094 · 15 May 2021

Both true - but ends up being all a bit ‘best endeavours’....

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