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should feeder services towards Russian speaking countries be strengthened?

should feeder services towards Russian speaking countries be strengthened?

  • Yes and list options

    Votes: 1 25.0%
  • No

    Votes: 1 25.0%
  • Berlin-Warsaw services extension to Terespol

    Votes: 1 25.0%
  • EC Wawel extension to Przemyśl

    Votes: 1 25.0%
  • Praha -- Kosice trains extension to Мукачево /Mukachevo/

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Others but please clarify.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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AlbertBeale

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I think you're inviting trouble to refer to the Ukraine as a "Russian speaking country"

Well - about a third of Ukrainians have Russian rather than Ukrainian as their mother tongue. So although the main/official language isn't Russian, it is still a Russian speaking country in a sense. And the Russian speakers aren't only in the eastern "separatist" provinces - it's 50/50 in some southern areas. And in (disputed) Crimea, it's overwhelmingly Russian- rather than Ukrainian-speaking. From what I remember from reading about Ukrainian politics, away from the east (and Crimea) there's not such a clear language-politics correlation as might be imagined from what's been happening on the Russian border in the east.
 

Stephen Lee

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I think you're inviting trouble to refer to the Ukraine as a "Russian speaking country"
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as Russian speaking countries like Ukraine are planning dual gauge railway to EU so that's why I ask this question.
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In Poland, some of the Berlin-Warsaw services can continue to Terespol and the EC Wawel can be extended to Przemyśl
Also I wondered if the Čierna nad Tisou -- Chop section is also dual gauge so Slovakia - Ukraine trains can continue to Мукачево /Mukachevo/
Guys I wondered if the EC Hortobágy service continue to Мукачево /Mukachevo/ too and if the EC Moravia extension to Terespol is possible too?
 
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Iskra

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Well - about a third of Ukrainians have Russian rather than Ukrainian as their mother tongue. So although the main/official language isn't Russian, it is still a Russian speaking country in a sense. And the Russian speakers aren't only in the eastern "separatist" provinces - it's 50/50 in some southern areas. And in (disputed) Crimea, it's overwhelmingly Russian- rather than Ukrainian-speaking. From what I remember from reading about Ukrainian politics, away from the east (and Crimea) there's not such a clear language-politics correlation as might be imagined from what's been happening on the Russian border in the east.
They find it downright offensive to be spoken at in Russian in the culturally Polish parts of Ukraine in the West, from the experience of someone who went travelling to Ukraine and speaks a little Russian and no Polish. It's a minefield.
 

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Guys I wondered if the EC Hortobágy service continue to Мукачево /Mukachevo/ too and if the EC Moravia extension to Terespol is possible too?
There are two trains daily (Covid permitting) on the standard gauge to Mukachevo. They were introduced a couple of years ago, and are booked for a twin railbus. There is also a dual-gauge sleeper (one coach), and a Hungarian IC service via Zahony. All This gives some idea of likely demand.

Journey time for the 50km from the Slovak border is 2hr PLUS the border stop (40min), which would discourage any non-Ukrainian operator from sending an inter-city train there. Kosice - Slovakia's second city and much bigger than Mukachevo - is a natural break point (just as Warsaw is for your other examples) and an improved point-to-point service is a more realistic aspiration than long-distance through workings taking 10hr and more.
 

Stephen Lee

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There are two trains daily (Covid permitting) on the standard gauge to Mukachevo. They were introduced a couple of years ago, and are booked for a twin railbus. There is also a dual-gauge sleeper (one coach), and a Hungarian IC service via Zahony. All This gives some idea of likely demand.

Journey time for the 50km from the Slovak border is 2hr PLUS the border stop (40min), which would discourage any non-Ukrainian operator from sending an inter-city train there. Kosice - Slovakia's second city and much bigger than Mukachevo - is a natural break point (just as Warsaw is for your other examples) and an improved point-to-point service is a more realistic aspiration than long-distance through workings taking 10hr and more.
point-to-point service......
 
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