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Slight changes you would make to liveries to make them nicer

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DasLunatic

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So as the thread title suggests, what small tweaks to a livery would you do to a livery to make them look nicer?

A couple of mine:Untitlesd.png
(185 with a more 360-based front end)
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(Class 170 with no yellow above orange line)
(also, excuse the poor painting)
 
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Cue the people suggesting they should be in Rail Blue...
What do you think most (non-enthusiast) travellers want? Pretty colours, or a co-ordinated network that runs on time, where you can understand the fares structure and where conections are protected if things are going wrong?
 
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So as the thread title suggests, what small tweaks to a livery would you do to a livery to make them look nicer?

A couple of mine:View attachment 39762
(185 with a more 360-based front end)
Fixed it further.

(PS: If these aren't your images, you need to credit the original poster or sate it's not your image)
 

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What do you think most (non-enthusiast) travellers want? Pretty colours, or a co-ordinated network that runs on time, where you can understand the fares structure and where conections are protected if things are going wrong?
I would suggest the latter.
 

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Referring to the now out-of-date Virgin livery on the Pendolinos and Voyagers, red doors would have looked better than striped and would have still provided sufficient contrast with the rest of the bodyside.
 

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I think the new Virgin Trains livery used on the West Coast Main Line could use a few changes. The final product looks something like a Swiss livery.

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What do you think most (non-enthusiast) travellers want? Pretty colours, or a co-ordinated network that runs on time, where you can understand the fares structure and where conections are protected if things are going wrong?
They aren’t mutually exclusive.

I think the XC 170 looks better but the 185 and the Voyager worse. Each to their own.
I also thought the striped doors on Virgin stock was great, glad I still get to see them in the inside of XC Voyagers!
 

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The Pendolino looks excellent, I really like that, simple but stylish!

The 185 however, looks terrible.
 

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What do you think most (non-enthusiast) travellers want? Pretty colours, or a co-ordinated network that runs on time, where you can understand the fares structure and where conections are protected if things are going wrong?

"Pretty colours" was obviously intended to be disparaging, but the trains should have a quality appearance and liveries should not look as if they're a thrown-on afterthought. Indeed, it's desirable that everything should look good and be well looked after - trains, buses, buildings, streets, parks.

I don't consider the current network uncoordinated, though I'm sure everyone can point to some areas where things could be better. You could do that under BR as well.

"Runs on time." Of course everyone would like that. Did BR always do it? Would they be able to do it with all the additional passengers and train movements of today?

Maybe the most difficult thing about the fares structure is the idea of split ticketing. But apart from that, things such as advance fares and internet-only offers shouldn't be a problem these days, and when you consider the extent to which a high proportion of the population uses various kinds of technology to do a very wide range of things it's difficult to see why buying a train ticket should be regarded as so outrageously complicated. If BR was still here they'd be using the same technology, and employing yield management to try to fill seats on more lightly-used services.

Protected connections. Yes, I'd definitely like that when my train is delayed for some reason. But the people in the train that's held for my benefit may think differently, and the ones in the train beyond that may have an even more different view.
 

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Here's one I made earlier - finally a perfect thread for it...
 

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I couldn’t tell the difference to start with either. There is just one neat white swoosh as opposed to the actual swoosh with branches coming off it. That does look better!
 

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Yep, white liveries only look good with a window band.

Re VTWC it's deliberately bland/generic, allegedly they had to hassle DfT to allow any red. If Virgin's consortium's bid wins, more red will be added.
 

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As for XC it's a cheap vinyl job and looks like it. Just like "cheap job" summarises most of what that TOC does of course, so it's quite appropriate :)

Too many logos, too - understated is better.
 

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As for XC it's a cheap vinyl job and looks like it. Just like "cheap job" summarises most of what that TOC does of course, so it's quite appropriate :)

Too many logos, too - understated is better.
Quite. I like their solution (ok, actually I’m being sarcastic) to the Virgin red on the roof. Just don’t wash them, as the exhaust and whatever else dirt is similar in colour to the XC livery.
 

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With extension to my original post, I have also created a diagram of what the Pendolino would look like in the better livery. I think instead of the nameplates/stickers, maybe the name of the unit can be placed on the side to spice up the blandness a little. The logos could also be just Virgin, or have the Virgin Trains logo. Perhaps everyone can say which of the four images they like better.
 

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GWR Green, lovely, but what's the point of that matte stripe? Take it away!
 

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Quite possibly the most idiotically dangerous post of recent times. :rolleyes:

Do bear in mind that this is one of those 'fantasy' threads!

Imagine taking the yellow off a Deltic!
 
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