Snälltåget officially announces Stockholm-Berlin night trains.

[JonasB]

In a Facebook post, Snälltåget has announces that while they cancel all trains to Berlin in 2020 due to the pandemic, they will introduce night trains between Stockholm and Berlin in 2021. The trains will run daily (nightly?) in June, July and August and during weekends in April, May and September.

Schedule:

Stockholm 16.20
Malmö 21.55
Höje Taastrup 22.45
Hamburg 05.50
Berlin 08.25.

Berlin 21.00
Hamburg 23.30
Höje Taastrup 06.50
Malmö 07.40
Stockholm 14.25.

In Sweden the train will also stop in Södertälje, Norrköping, Linköping, Nässjö, Alvesta, Hässleholm, Eslöv and Lund. No mention of additional stops in Denmark and Germany.

 

[StephenHunter]

Throwing some shade at SJ in the press release I see. Looking at the timings, I doubt there will be any other stops in Denmark.

 

[JonathanP]

Really interesting news. I wonder if they will be able to use a single Vectron to work all the way through from Sweden to Germany.

I guess this means the Trelleborg - Sassnitz train ferry(and so all train ferries in Northern Europe) is over for good, gone with a whimper not a bang.

 

[StephenHunter]

You'll likely still get the Sweden-Poland and Sweden-Germany freight ferries, I'd imagine.

 

[duesselmartin]

a very early stop for Hamburg.

 

[popeter45]

for my February 2021 trip to Malmo sadly this wont be available i hope to ride this in july 2021 for my other trip to Malmo
the 5am hamburg arrival is annoying thou so may look into on return going full to Berlin and doubling back to Brussles for eurostar

 

[JonasB]

Looking at the timings, I doubt there will be any other stops in Denmark.

A stop in Roskilde or Ringsted might work. And even if it will be an early/late stop I think Odense might be big enough to deserve a stop.

 

[scarby]

Certainly it will provide a great link, though I hope then they won't be using the same old stock with no private compartments (unless you buy a whole couchette compartment) and no bistro on a 16 hour journey.

 

[30907]

Certainly it will provide a great link, though I hope then they won't be using the same old stock with no private compartments (unless you buy a whole couchette compartment) and no bistro on a 16 hour journey.

Looks like it's running in an existing path in Sweden, with 2hr in Malmö northbound, so presumably catering on that bit; think it will be "new" stock but presumably still no sleepers as there aren't many going spare.

 

[jamesontheroad]

a very early stop for Hamburg.

Also very antisocial timings for possible DE/DK border controls. The daytime trains between Hamburg and Copenhagen routinely get inspected, albeit usually for targeted individuals.

Great news. I don’t mind the early stop in Hamburg... Makes UK/Sweden in a day and a half very comfortable.

 

[popeter45]

Also very antisocial timings for possible DE/DK border controls. The daytime trains between Hamburg and Copenhagen routinely get inspected, albeit usually for targeted individuals.

Great news. I don’t mind the early stop in Hamburg... Makes UK/Sweden in a day and a half very comfortable.

this basicly replaces IC 430/431 but with actual beds instead of seats
to denmark from hamburg they check passports (at 2am ) but other way around all we had was just some security team walk thru the carriage without any passport checks, i only woke up due to there torches

 

[StephenHunter]

Exactly; the main move of migrants is North, not South.

 

[Cloud Strife]

Also very antisocial timings for possible DE/DK border controls. The daytime trains between Hamburg and Copenhagen routinely get inspected, albeit usually for targeted individuals.

If there's only one stop in Denmark, perhaps they could simply carry out border controls (if required) on people as they leave/enter the train? The proposed timings would also allow for a more reasonable time for German border controls in Hamburg Hbf.

 

[popeter45]

do the class 193 loco's snälltåget currently use have the signalling/ power systems to work in Denmark or will they lease a few EG locos from DSB?

 

[jamesontheroad]

Exactly; the main move of migrants is North, not South.

Two of my five southbound journeys Copenhagen-Hamburg in the last year have involved stops by the German police, and in one case the removal of a passenger. Oddly this happened not in a station but by a signal box on the avoiding line west of Flensburg. There seems to be space there for vehicles to stop adjacent to the track.

 

[43096]

do the class 193 loco's snälltåget currently use have the signalling/ power systems to work in Denmark or will they lease a few EG locos from DSB?

Their current locos have Norway and Sweden country package only. No Denmark (no Vectrons passed here - yet) and not Germany on these locos. Not sure if the Hector Rail Tauri are cleared, though...

 

[StephenHunter]

Taurus is a trademarked name for the ÖBB Euro Sprinter locos, BTW.

 

[43096]

Taurus is a trademarked name for the ÖBB Euro Sprinter locos, BTW.

I’m well aware of that; it’s a mark of how well known it has become that it has become used for all ES64U/ES64U2/ES64U4 locos.