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SNCF TER Services Which Livery?

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Hi

Is there a way to tell what French department helps funds (or maybe operates) which TER services? And therefore what banding the train would carry?

Example I was looking at TER services from Gare de Bercy to Lyon on 18th Sep and there is a service that has the number TER 17753 dep 0736 arr 1244.

Is there a way to tell from the number who the operator is?
Or is there a list of who operates which services?

I am pretty sure that in this example the operator is TER Bourgone-Franche-Comte. However Lyon isn't in Bourgone-Franche-Comte so it could be operated by TER Auvergne-Rhone-Alpes.

What if I didn't know who operated the service is there anyway to tell what TER branding the train would carry?

Thanks

Alex
 
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Hi

Is there a way to tell what French department helps funds (or maybe operates) which TER services? And therefore what banding the train would carry?

Example I was looking at TER services from Gare de Bercy to Lyon on 18th Sep and there is a service that has the number TER 17753 dep 0736 arr 1244.

Is there a way to tell from the number who the operator is?
Or is there a list of who operates which services?

I am pretty sure that in this example the operator is TER Bourgone-Franche-Comte. However Lyon isn't in Bourgone-Franche-Comte so it could be operated by TER Auvergne-Rhone-Alpes.

What if I didn't know who operated the service is there anyway to tell what TER branding the train would carry?

Thanks

Alex

Hi, generally there isn't a way of working out which livery a train will carry given that regions often swap/loan out trainsets to each other for TER services. You are right in saying though, that for the most part, TER trains carry some branding depending on their région de rattachement (base county). Given the recent reduction of the number of regions in France, some TER liveries have not been updated and only show the original, smaller region notably in Alsace (now Grand Est) and Nord-Pas-de-Calais (now Hauts-de-France).

The number does not dictate which region runs that TER service, in fact TGVs are numbered according to axe more accurately.
With TGVs, the numbering is very straightforward:
0XXX - seasonal/'renfort'
26XXX or 29xxx - special TGV (such as Pilgrimage trains, Ventimiglia)
2xxx - Est (Paris Est)
3xxx - Nord Ouest (Paris St Lazare - at the moment there are no TGVs on this axe bar 5316/5376)
5xxx - Intersecteur (via Roissy or Marne-la-Vallée)
6xxx - Sud Est (Paris Lyon)
7xxx - Nord (Paris Nord)
8xxx - Atlantique (Paris Montparnasse) - most of these have been rebranded TGV inOUI
90XX/91XX - Eurostar
92XX - Lyria
93XX/94XX/99XX - Thalys
95XX - Alleo (SNCF / DB in co-operation)
97XX - Renfe SNCF
98xx - TGV Brussels Province

TER trains normally are in the format of 8XXXXX - the first 3 numbers generally dictate a certain route, as opposed to a region per se. It's easier to run through the exceptions/anomalies though:
16XXX / 17XXX - limited stop TERs (these are generally downgraded Intercités routes and are run with dedicated stock)
14XXX /18XXX - cross-regional TERs running on infrequent, rural lines in central/west France
19XXX - TER Hauts-de-France branded trains which are actually SNCB Intercity routes (Lille-Antwerp/Tournai, Maubeuge-Namur, Aulnoye-Mons)
96XXX - TERs running along the Strasbourg-Basel / Bellegarde-Geneva line limited-stop (occasionally used elsewhere to denote international limited-stop TERs)

GENERALLY (this is by no means definite, there are so many randoms), 'normal' stopping TERs are:
82XXXX - a TER which has a 'stopping' calling pattern outside of France (none come to mind
83XXX - TER Grand-Est
84XXX - TER Hauts-de-France
85XXX/86XXX : TER Normandie, Bretagne-PDL, Centre or Nouvelle-Aquitaine
87XXX - TER Auvergne-Rhône Alpes or Midi-P/Languedoc (often seen in regions abouve too)
88XXX - seemingly everywhere but usually TER Auvergne-Rhône Alpes or PACA
89XXX - TER Bourgogne-Franche Comté

Concerning the TER line from Bercy to Lyon you looked up, yes, all of these trains are TER Bourgogne-Franche Comté, because the primary traffic on the route radiates from Dijon and surrounding towns - hardly anyone does the full Lyon-Paris, most use TGV or OUIGO.
Hope that answers your questions to some extent.
 

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Hi, generally there isn't a way of working out which livery a train will carry given that regions often swap/loan out trainsets to each other for TER services. You are right in saying though, that for the most part, TER trains carry some branding depending on their région de rattachement (base county). Given the recent reduction of the number of regions in France, some TER liveries have not been updated and only show the original, smaller region notably in Alsace (now Grand Est) and Nord-Pas-de-Calais (now Hauts-de-France).

The number does not dictate which region runs that TER service, in fact TGVs are numbered according to axe more accurately.
With TGVs, the numbering is very straightforward:
0XXX - seasonal/'renfort'
26XXX or 29xxx - special TGV (such as Pilgrimage trains, Ventimiglia)
2xxx - Est (Paris Est)
3xxx - Nord Ouest (Paris St Lazare - at the moment there are no TGVs on this axe bar 5316/5376)
5xxx - Intersecteur (via Roissy or Marne-la-Vallée)
6xxx - Sud Est (Paris Lyon)
7xxx - Nord (Paris Nord)
8xxx - Atlantique (Paris Montparnasse) - most of these have been rebranded TGV inOUI
90XX/91XX - Eurostar
92XX - Lyria
93XX/94XX/99XX - Thalys
95XX - Alleo (SNCF / DB in co-operation)
97XX - Renfe SNCF
98xx - TGV Brussels Province

TER trains normally are in the format of 8XXXXX - the first 3 numbers generally dictate a certain route, as opposed to a region per se. It's easier to run through the exceptions/anomalies though:
16XXX / 17XXX - limited stop TERs (these are generally downgraded Intercités routes and are run with dedicated stock)
14XXX /18XXX - cross-regional TERs running on infrequent, rural lines in central/west France
19XXX - TER Hauts-de-France branded trains which are actually SNCB Intercity routes (Lille-Antwerp/Tournai, Maubeuge-Namur, Aulnoye-Mons)
96XXX - TERs running along the Strasbourg-Basel / Bellegarde-Geneva line limited-stop (occasionally used elsewhere to denote international limited-stop TERs)

GENERALLY (this is by no means definite, there are so many randoms), 'normal' stopping TERs are:
82XXXX - a TER which has a 'stopping' calling pattern outside of France (none come to mind
83XXX - TER Grand-Est
84XXX - TER Hauts-de-France
85XXX/86XXX : TER Normandie, Bretagne-PDL, Centre or Nouvelle-Aquitaine
87XXX - TER Auvergne-Rhône Alpes or Midi-P/Languedoc (often seen in regions abouve too)
88XXX - seemingly everywhere but usually TER Auvergne-Rhône Alpes or PACA
89XXX - TER Bourgogne-Franche Comté

Concerning the TER line from Bercy to Lyon you looked up, yes, all of these trains are TER Bourgogne-Franche Comté, because the primary traffic on the route radiates from Dijon and surrounding towns - hardly anyone does the full Lyon-Paris, most use TGV or OUIGO.
Hope that answers your questions to some extent.

Thank you so much for this. This is really helpful. Thanks again. Alex
 
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