Sorry Daft Question need help with identification

[camperdown9]

Hi

I apologise railways are a new interest of mine and I have lots and lots to learn. So from time to time on this forum I post some questions that must make a lot of readers rolls their eyes :roll:

I am sorry but if I don't ask I don't learn.

Anyway I was walking past Kings Cross this morning and just had a quick look to see what was sitting at the platforms.

Of the locomotives/traction unit/engines (by the way what is the correct term?) that where there, I made a note of five of their numbers.

Three of them I managed to get in full but there were two Virgin locomotives with " 224 and 231" marked on the front. I am guessing that 224 and 231 are just the last three digits of the two locomotives numbers, and that there should be 2 digits in front of that. Can anyone tell me what the full numbers might be?

Thanks as always

Alex

 

[Domh245]

Those would have been Driving Van Trailers, and so the preceding numbers would have been 82xxx. However, they aren't locomotives, as they are unpowered. The locomotives (Class 91) are on the other end of the train, where their habit for making noise won't ruin the first class experience!

 

[AnonymousUser1]

Hi

I apologise railways are a new interest of mine and I have lots and lots to learn. So from time to time on this forum I post some questions that must make a lot of readers rolls their eyes :roll:

I am sorry but if I don't ask I don't learn.

Anyway I was walking past Kings Cross this morning and just had a quick look to see what was sitting at the platforms.

Of the locomotives/traction unit/engines (by the way what is the correct term?) that where there, I made a note of five of their numbers.

Three of them I managed to get in full but there were two Virgin locomotives with " 224 and 231" marked on the front. I am guessing that 224 and 231 are just the last three digits of the two locomotives numbers, and that there should be 2 digits in front of that. Can anyone tell me what the full numbers might be?

Thanks as always

Alex

perhaps DVTs as normally it's the DVT at the london end of a 225 rather than the loco ( and the class 91s are 91 1xx numbers after modifications led to their renumberign from 91 0 xx)

 

[yorkie]

They were not locomotives.

They are trailing cars with driver cabs, known as Driving Van Trailers (DVTs). Carriages also have numbers, as well as locos!

 

[camperdown9]

Thanks all. This is more complicated that I expected.

 

[Aws87024]

Thanks all. This is more complicated that I expected.

I would recommend this book, brilliant for getting to know different classes, sub classes ect

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ABC-Traction-Recognition-Colin-Marsden/dp/0711037922

 

[camperdown9]

I would recommend this book, brilliant for getting to know different classes, sub classes ect

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ABC-Traction-Recognition-Colin-Marsden/dp/0711037922

Thanks. Going to be passing Ian Allan on Thursday so will pick up a copy then.

Thanks again

 

[Aws87024]

Thanks. Going to be passing Ian Allan on Thursday so will pick up a copy then.

Thanks again

No problem!

 

[03_179]

Hi

I apologise railways are a new interest of mine and I have lots and lots to learn. So from time to time on this forum I post some questions that must make a lot of readers rolls their eyes :roll:

I am sorry but if I don't ask I don't learn.

Anyway I was walking past Kings Cross this morning and just had a quick look to see what was sitting at the platforms.

Of the locomotives/traction unit/engines (by the way what is the correct term?) that where there, I made a note of five of their numbers.

Three of them I managed to get in full but there were two Virgin locomotives with " 224 and 231" marked on the front. I am guessing that 224 and 231 are just the last three digits of the two locomotives numbers, and that there should be 2 digits in front of that. Can anyone tell me what the full numbers might be?

Thanks as always

Alex

You can get Spotlog for free on Google Play store for an Android phone. When you download it you can also download for free the UK "book" (and other European "books"). Using Spotlog you can also "tick off" the loco/EMU/DMU numbers as well.

 

[najaB]

You can get Spotlog for free on Google Play store for an Android phone. When you download it you can also download for free the UK "book" (and other European "books"). Using Spotlog you can also "tick off" the loco/EMU/DMU numbers as well.

Don't do it! Once you start it will take over your life.

 

[03_179]

Don't do it! Once you start it will take over your life.

LOL ... but for a free app it's brilliant ...

 

[telstarbox]

You can see full formations for the sets you saw here (under East Coast Mk4 ):

http://www.abrail.co.uk/lhcsstockformations.htm

There are plenty of other useful lists on that website.

 

[camperdown9]

You can get Spotlog for free on Google Play store for an Android phone. When you download it you can also download for free the UK "book" (and other European "books"). Using Spotlog you can also "tick off" the loco/EMU/DMU numbers as well.

Don't do it! Once you start it will take over your life.

Thanks I have an android phone at home will download this later. ( I used to go to places near airports to spot aircraft so I am beyond help!)

You can see full formations for the sets you saw here (under East Coast Mk4 ):

http://www.abrail.co.uk/lhcsstockformations.htm

There are plenty of other useful lists on that website.

Thanks

Alex
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You can see full formations for the sets you saw here (under East Coast Mk4 ):

http://www.abrail.co.uk/lhcsstockformations.htm

There are plenty of other useful lists on that website.

I'm sorry but can I just check I am reading this correctly.

I saw two DVT's that had 231 and 224 painted on the front.

So does that mean that.....

231 is short for 82231 and that belongs to set BN29
&
224 is short for 82224 and that belongs to set BN30

Last question whats a TSOE? (Tourist standard open, something I guess?)

As always thanks

Alex

 

[AnonymousUser1]

TSOE the E stands for 'end' it's the (usually) northern most coach in an Mk4 rake and doesn't have a corridor connection as it spends the vast majority of it's time facing the 'blunt' cab of the cl 91 ...

 

[Deepgreen]

No such thing as a "daft question", especially for a 'newbie' This is what forums such as this should excel at - providing help and information to others - but, unfortunately, it too often leads to condescension (not in this case, I'm glad to see).

 

[sprinterguy]

I saw two DVT's that had 231 and 224 painted on the front.

So does that mean that.....

231 is short for 82231 and that belongs to set BN29
&
224 is short for 82224 and that belongs to set BN30

Yes that's exactly right.
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TSOE the E stands for 'end' it's the (usually) northern most coach in an Mk4 rake and doesn't have a corridor connection as it spends the vast majority of it's time facing the 'blunt' cab of the cl 91 ...

They're also fitted with buffers at their outer end for the same reason.

 

[camperdown9]

Sorry its me again.

Today at Kings Cross I saw 82203 which I now know is a DVT. So I go to the list on abrail I find that its part of set BN30. So I go to my ICRS UK Combine 2016 book and I look up class 91. I know that 82203 had flying scotsman livery so I guess its pulled by 91101. But is there a way of find out from the set number what the locomotive is?

I also saw 82205. So I know that its part of set BN10 but I can't highlight it in my book because I don't know the locomotive number.

Sorry....help please:cry:

Alex

 

[Domh245]

There is no way of finding out what the locomotive on the front is based on the set other than searching flickr for photos of that train taken that day (which often doesn't work), or by asking someone over in allocations & diagrams who can use one of the railway's internal systems to look it up for you. Locomotives can, and often do get changed about.

 

[camperdown9]

There is no way of finding out what the locomotive on the front is based on the set other than searching flickr for photos of that train taken that day (which often doesn't work), or by asking someone over in allocations & diagrams who can use one of the railway's internal systems to look it up for you. Locomotives can, and often do get changed about.

Hmm Thought that might be the case.

Were other than King Cross could I go in London were I might have better success in recording numbers?



(Thanks by the way!)

 

[D1009]

Were other than King Cross could I go in London were I might have better success in recording numbers?



(Thanks by the way!)

That depends on what trains interest you the most. The vast majority of passenger trains are formed of multiple units, where the engines or traction motors are mounted beneath the coaches, and the unit numbers are normally on the ends. If its locomotives on passenger trains that interest you, you could go to Liverpool Street for class 90s or Marylebone for 68s, although there aren't all that many of those. I think from a spotters point of view, the freight train scene is more interesting.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Sorry its me again.

Today at Kings Cross I saw 82203 which I now know is a DVT. So I go to the list on abrail I find that its part of set BN30. So I go to my ICRS UK Combine 2016 book and I look up class 91. I know that 82203 had flying scotsman livery so I guess its pulled by 91101. But is there a way of find out from the set number what the locomotive is?

I also saw 82205. So I know that its part of set BN10 but I can't highlight it in my book because I don't know the locomotive number.

Sorry....help please:cry:

Alex

I should add a caution that on occasion the individual carriages within the rakes can get switched around so you cannot just assume that what is listed in the book as being in BN10 or BN30 or whatever is necessarily the composition of the rake on any given day.

The only way to be sure is either log each vehicle in the rake yourself or, as Donh245 suggests, asking in the TOPS thread or similar.