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I expect signallers will be the limiting factor.It is interesting that they can't get any service on the Hayes branch given the other services from London Bridge and the fact that the Metro area is all driver only operation.
Why should it be more chaotic? It is presumably the service that can operate with the bare minimum of signallers, unless you are suggesting that those signalling managers aren't going to turn up. The trains themselves are running DOO and just shuttling back and forth on one route.It will be chaotic. The contingency planning for this scenario is bare bones and its likely there will be massive disruption to even this reduced service.
I don't, they will just work from home or drive to North Greenwich if they need to go in to town.That is one heavy reduced service which leaves most of Kent without a rail service.
I think many commuters will be in for a shock when they see this.
The LOMs, if indeed they do show up since they can strike the same as any other staff if they're RMT, are doing crash courses on the workstations with little experience of actually signalling. Mistakes will happen. They have little relevant experience. Amazing that signallers are expected to pass out on these workstations over weeks or months but during a strike they think they can throw anyone on them and work it fine with a reduced service.Why should it be more chaotic? It is presumably the service that can operate with the bare minimum of signallers, unless you are suggesting that those signalling managers aren't going to turn up. The trains themselves are running DOO and just shuttling back and forth on one route.
Most will just WFH, the world is a different place now.I think many commuters will be in for a shock when they see this.
I would hope that even if there was no service there would be a minimum amount of staff for safety reasons in emergencies.MOMs, S&T and P-Way may all be out as well.
Well apparently our transport minister has announced that agency staff are capable replacements ...I would hope that even if there was no service there would be a minimum amount of staff for safety reasons in emergencies.
Half hourly 12 car HS from Ashford will be fine.Worth saying that:
- Hayes is on a now TB Roc desk, having been on an LB PSB panel.
- Orpington somehow gets 6tph.
- Metro must suffer* a 2tph service.
- One assumes they are getting enough managers to do Dartford station.
This is a bad idea. Especially half-hourly Ashford to St Pancras. Best thing for it is to provide a more regular High Speed or close the network outside of London and not run the Bexleyheath line. Concentrate resources onto Dartford - Abbey Wood -
London (Lizzy line) and via Hither Green as that side is clearly already open and available for Orpington trains.
* It is not a good idea to provide half-hourly and crush-load it, even if you remove a few stops.
Anyway, I predict a total mess.
Metro is 6 tph all from Dartford to LBG... 2 via Sidcup, 2 via Woolwich and 2 via BexleyheathWorth saying that:
- Hayes is on a now TB Roc desk, having been on an LB PSB panel.
- Orpington somehow gets 6tph.
- Metro must suffer* a 2tph service.
- One assumes they are getting enough managers to do Dartford station.
This is a bad idea. Especially half-hourly Ashford to St Pancras. Best thing for it is to provide a more regular High Speed or close the network outside of London and not run the Bexleyheath line. Concentrate resources onto Dartford - Abbey Wood -
London (Lizzy line) and via Hither Green as that side is clearly already open and available for Orpington trains.
* It is not a good idea to provide half-hourly and crush-load it, even if you remove a few stops.
Anyway, I predict a total mess.
Worth saying that:
- Hayes is on a now TB Roc desk, having been on an LB PSB panel.
- Orpington somehow gets 6tph.
- Metro must suffer* a 2tph service.
- One assumes they are getting enough managers to do Dartford station.
This is a bad idea. Especially half-hourly Ashford to St Pancras. Best thing for it is to provide a more regular High Speed or close the network outside of London and not run the Bexleyheath line. Concentrate resources onto Dartford - Abbey Wood -
London (Lizzy line) and via Hither Green as that side is clearly already open and available for Orpington trains.
* It is not a good idea to provide half-hourly and crush-load it, even if you remove a few stops.
Anyway, I predict a total mess.
Off peak yeah. And only 6 cars so this is an increase in capacity overall.Isn't Ashford HS1 half hourly anyway ?
Off peak yeah. And only 6 cars so this is an increase in capacity overall.
I'm sure many will be delighted at the excuse.Most will just WFH, the world is a different place now.
Worth saying that:
- Hayes is on a now TB Roc desk, having been on an LB PSB panel.
- Orpington somehow gets 6tph.
- Metro must suffer* a 2tph service.
- One assumes they are getting enough managers to do Dartford station.
This is a bad idea. Especially half-hourly Ashford to St Pancras. Best thing for it is to provide a more regular High Speed or close the network outside of London and not run the Bexleyheath line. Concentrate resources onto Dartford - Abbey Wood -
London (Lizzy line) and via Hither Green as that side is clearly already open and available for Orpington trains.
* It is not a good idea to provide half-hourly and crush-load it, even if you remove a few stops.
Anyway, I predict a total mess.
This is a bad idea. Especially half-hourly Ashford to St Pancras.
I dread to think what that will be like as they seem to be incredibly busy at the best of times.
Southeastern have also put out “Do Not Travel”. Somewhat mixed messaging, but at the same time there’s a need to tell those who have literally no other option what is happening.
Not sure there’s any way to get it right - it’s going to be a very messy week.
Yes, it's a losing position however they go about, but providing a very basic people for people who absolutely do need to travel while advising that people consider that need very carefully seems to me to be a reasonable blend of making an effort while also being realistic.Southeastern have also put out “Do Not Travel”. Somewhat mixed messaging, but at the same time there’s a need to tell those who have literally no other option what is happening.
Not sure there’s any way to get it right - it’s going to be a very messy week.
I know that some operators are planning a Sunday level of service on the inbetween days - sensible compared to this 'There's going to be disruption' approach imo.
My post was in reference to the days in between strikes where a full ish timetable is being planned to run on Southeastern with a later start, not the strike days. For Example GTR are advertising they'll be running a Sunday Service on those dates (Wednesday, Friday & Sunday)I think in reality, very few will be able to manage what we would conisder a true Sunday service - most are planning for 0700-1900 (at best), and only a few tph on some routes, with others potentially completely unserved. That's far worse than any Sunday (barring significant engineering works and an earlier start-up).
I hardly think that a dedicated page with fully accessible timetables and a map highlighting what routes are running is just "there's going to be disruption".
My post was in reference to the days in between strikes where a full ish timetable is being planned to run on Southeastern with a later start, not the strike days. For Example GTR are advertising they'll be running a Sunday Service on those dates (Wednesday, Friday & Sunday)
If I recall, back in 94 the GE ran an hourly service from about 0730 to 1830 or so, (and other trains ad hoc if they could) it seemed to work quite well, many were 12 cars, seem to remember sitting on the A12 at Boreham on a strike day, and trains were passing quite happily, whilst we were stuck for ages in a jamI think in reality, very few will be able to manage what we would conisder a true Sunday service - most are planning for 0700-1900 (at best), and only a few tph on some routes, with others potentially completely unserved. That's far worse than any Sunday (barring significant engineering works and an earlier start-up).
I hardly think that a dedicated page with fully accessible timetables and a map highlighting what routes are running is just "there's going to be disruption".
Um, not for people like me who cannot possibly work from home....Most will just WFH, the world is a different place now.
I'm so glad that I am not one of the "many"...I'm sure many will be delighted at the excuse.
For whom? Not for people like me where HS1 is of no use....Half hourly 12 car HS from Ashford will be fine.