ECS to/from Victoria to/from Selhurst if a blue 377.Saw a SE train today passing through Clapham Junction around 1055hrs today, probably non passenger. I didn't think they operated through the station. Any idea what it might be.
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I understand GTR undertake some work (wheel related?) to SE's Electrostars at Selhurst TRSMD so this is probably a related move.
Off topic, but I was on a bus to Purley earlier and a Southern liveried loco (a 73?) Passed as speed, seemed to be London bound. What was that doing and why? Probably around 09:20.
Yeh used to be Dave Berry but its changedThey do have one (is it named ‘Dave Berry’?). I have it in my mind that it lived in Stewart’s Lane most of the time. I believe it’s a thunderbird of sorts. Though I don’t recall it doing much rescuing. With the number of Electrostars on the rails, it’s probably easier to just use the one behind/in front to push/pull out the way.
I understand, in that case travelling via Birkbeck instead. Although similarly Cross Country reverse at Reading and that does not seem to annoy anyone that much.You may want to look at a map of the area. A south eastern train calling at Denmark Hill and Clapham Junction would need to reverse at Clapham Junction to get back to Victoria.
Which platforms are you expecting these trains to reverse in at Clapham Junction? And how do you expect passengers on the Beckenham Junction branch to feel as their local trains are cancelled to allow SE services over the single line?I understand, in that case travelling via Birkbeck instead. Although similarly Cross Country reverse at Reading and that does not seem to annoy anyone that much.
I doubt the reversal would bother too many people considering anyone who specifically wanted Victoria would have travelled on the fast services from Bromley South. The only passengers who would stay on would be those who wanted Clapham Junction.
Anyone else who boards there for Victoria would be none the wiser about the reversal.
Also, Reading layout was designed to accommodate the required service (including reversals). Clapham Junction's layout was designed for the amount of through services it receives.Reading has 2 platforms per line plus the bays, Clapham Junction has 1 platform per line. It's a world of difference.
Fair enough, but surely not all of these platforms at Reading can be used to travel in every single direction
I am not in the know so unfortunately cannot answer those questions. My point is somehow overcoming those issues to allow Southeastern to call at Clapham Junction would be very beneficial. It has fantastic connections to a variety of different places. Much more useful than Victoria. Nobody else’s trains should be cancelled to facilitate this though
I doubt the reversal would bother too many people considering anyone who specifically wanted Victoria would have travelled on the fast services from Bromley South. The only passengers who would stay on would be those who wanted Clapham Junction.
Reading is set up such that whilst a train is reversing in the inner platforms, the next train can pass through to/from Paddington in the outer platform. The connectivity problem (such as it is) for SE could largely be solved by putting platforms in for the overground at Brixton, tbh.Fair enough, but surely not all of these platforms at Reading can be used to travel in every single direction
I am not in the know so unfortunately cannot answer those questions. My point is somehow overcoming those issues to allow Southeastern to call at Clapham Junction would be very beneficial. It has fantastic connections to a variety of different places. Much more useful than Victoria. Nobody else’s trains should be cancelled to facilitate this though
What exactly is the need though? They haven't called there before so why the sudden need? You can change at Denmark Hill for an Overground service to Clapham Junction which is much simpler.
There is a need because I need to go to Clapham Junction as do many other people who live here. There used to be a service from Tonbride to London Victoria via Redhill. You are also incorrect, before the route via Sevenoaks was built, ALL Network South East trains ran this way.What exactly is the need though? They haven't called there before so why the sudden need? You can change at Denmark Hill for an Overground service to Clapham Junction which is much simpler.
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There is a need because I need to go to Clapham Junction as do many other people who live here. There used to be a service from Tonbride to London Victoria via Redhill. You are also incorrect, before the route via Sevenoaks was built, ALL Network South East trains ran this way.
It is simply not convenient and is slooow for people living in the leafy environs to travel all the way to Denmark Hill, change to overground and then change again to Clapham Junction
Irrelevant!!!
It has fantastic connections to a variety of different places. Much more useful than Victoria.
And admittedly it would be nice for a few more services to run along the Catford Loop (where practical) to allow Denmark Hill to be used as a connecting point.What exactly is the need though? They haven't called there before so why the sudden need? You can change at Denmark Hill for an Overground service to Clapham Junction which is much simpler.
Understood. Although some of them don’t have a choice to go anywhere but Victoria as it is their only London Terminal. What about those heading to Woking, Southampton, Watford, Gatwick, Brighton, Croydon, Reading, Staines?Not for the vast majority of passengers on Southeastern services to Victoria, who want to go to Central London.
This is also a good point to additionally considerAnd admittedly it would be nice for a few more services to run along the Catford Loop (where practical) to allow Denmark Hill to be used as a connecting point.
And admittedly it would be nice for a few more services to run along the Catford Loop (where practical) to allow Denmark Hill to be used as a connecting point.
Understood. Although some of them don’t have a choice to go anywhere but Victoria as it is their only London Terminal. What about those heading to Woking, Southampton, Watford, Gatwick, Brighton, Croydon, Reading, Staines?