Considering that all of the 455s are withdrawn from the timetable change i think they will need all of the 313s in service even more than now so that more of the 377s are available to replace the 455s in the Greater London area. Once the 377/5 from SE and 387/1 from GN start coming to Southern than they can start thinking about withdrawing the 313s from service. But i think until then all of the 313s will be needed.
Why? From the new timetable, they only work hourly Brighton to Portsmouth (3 diagrams), the Littlehampton to Bognor / Portsmouth cycle (4 diagrams) and Brighton to Seaford (3 diagrams). They aren't being put on anything else to release 377s and there are 19 units.
Exactly, hence my query as 5 units could possibly be stood down or used as Christmas tree spares
Does one of the diagrams carry over from Saturdays? On Saturday, both Seaford diagrams were 4 car 377s.
Yes i agree. The Brighton to Lewes services in particular really need to be returned to six trains per hour in each direction (every ten minutes in each direction) like it was before the corona virus. This line is always packed. As the stations of Falmer and Moulsecoomb are both located next to large university sites so get very busy. Most trains on this line these days are full and standing.
Usually 377 when Brighton play at home supplemented by 6-car 313
If the diagrams carry over then that would explain it.
Brighton guards don't sign to Hastings according to the guard route knowledge thread. While Eastbourne guards could work the services if 313s were used to Hastings are Southern really going to roster an increase in guard working to allow 313s to cover this?
There's enough 377s without the need to use 313s on anything extra. The clock is ticking for them and they'll almost certainly have a dedicated thread by the end of this year. 377163/164 return to Southern on Saturday 14th from Southeastern. They're currently paired up in Ashford Down Sidings.
there are no plans to run 313's to Hastings in the May timetable.
It'll be 377s. Southeastern wouldn't be getting rid of 375s over the subleased 377/5s.
I have also heard that Southeastern are getting South Western 707's, which will free up the 375's.
The remaining 707s will free up 465s to release 377/5s. The 375s aren't going anywhere.
377/5s are fully DOO capable, 375s require a guard. Say no more...
375s run DOO inside the Southeastern metro area but don't have body mounted cameras to run DOO everywhere.
That presumably depends on where the 3-car units are deemed to be most useful. If 10-car railway in the metro area is a thing of the past the 377/3s might as well be on the coast.
Impossible. 313s don’t go to either Southampton or Eastbourne
zero chance at Southampton or Eastbourne if you take direct trains.
They're not booked to. They have done before, and were booked on limited Hastings diagrams pre-COVID, in fact, but the chance is slim to zero of it happening again.
Nearest you'll get to Eastbourne on a 313 is Lewes
313s have been to, Southampton, Eastleigh, Hastings, Ore, Eastbourne, in the past. But that was before DOO came in so there were plenty of Guards that signed both the 313s and these routes. These days the Guards for the 313s at Brighton and Barnham no longer sign the route between Bedhampton and Southampton so it would not be possible. I believe the Guards based at Eastbourne sign 313s and Brighton to Seaford and Eastbourne to Ashford but they do not sign between Lewes and Hampden Park any more so that prevents 313s from going there. So unfortunately they are only used on Brighton to Seaford and Brighton to Portsmouth and the Bognor Regis and Littlehampton branches currently.
There was one working to Hastings a day that went long before COVID. Southampton was during engineering works when every train on SN was Guard operated. Use of 313s is limited to pretty much booked diagrams now and as soon as there's any engineering works it's far easier (and better for passengers) to use a spare 377.
