Southern Class 455 Withdrawal

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The reality is that passenger numbers are increasing, service frequency and train length are not following the trend with shorter trains and less frequent services. Sorting the 455s, at least the ones that had been C4 overhauled recently would have allowed for a return to service should / when the demand is there. However DfT have decreed that they go, so go they must!! What we will never know is whether that was based on a 379/387 cascade or not. I was led to believe it was.
 
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So essentially Southern would have to take them on lease for another 6 months or a year ‘in case anything arises’ sounds expensive and the DfT didn’t want Southern to keep them on lease so might have been beneficial but there was no money for it.
One could argue that if they aren't needed now, they haven't been needed since March 2020. Seems bizarre to scrap them as the trains are filling up again.
 

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5Q55 66744 with the Arlington Vans and 455845 and 455821 on the 1033 Stewarts Lane to Newport Docks Simms scrap move through West Brompton on time. However 455845 and 455821 was in the final week together on The East Croydon to London Bridge circuit during the Thursday and Friday of that week.
 

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Only one set of units parked at the sidings by the level crossing in Horsham this evening, 455801 on the road end
 

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455813 and 455842 will depart Selhurst for the final time in less than an hour:

Hang on, that's an inter-depot working to SL, rather than the scrap run to Newport.

EDIT to add: based on the departure time of the Newport ghoulex, the units will be late for their own funeral :s
 
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Hang on, that's an inter-depot working to SL, rather than the scrap run to Newport.

EDIT to add: based on the departure time of the Newport ghoulex, the units will be late for their own funeral :s
I suspect that as they get cleared from stew lane, more units stored elsewhere will take their place. Theres a couple at streatham hill... and still those at hove and horsham.
 

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Hang on, that's an inter-depot working to SL, rather than the scrap run to Newport.

EDIT to add: based on the departure time of the Newport ghoulex, the units will be late for their own funeral :s
Sorry, should have been clearer of the significance of that move - it’s the last pair of 455’s to leave Selhurst - potentially for good unless any of the units stored at Hove or Horsham need to go there for any reason
 

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I suspect that as they get cleared from stew lane, more units stored elsewhere will take their place. Theres a couple at streatham hill... and still those at hove and horsham.
Just out of interest would those at Hove or Horsham need to go via Stewart’s Lane, or could they go direct via Havant then either via Basingstoke or Salisbury.

Sussex-London-Wales seems lot more indirect
 

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Just out of interest would those at Hove or Horsham need to go via Stewart’s Lane, or could they go direct via Havant then either via Basingstoke or Salisbury.

Sussex-London-Wales seems lot more indirect
Probably via Stewarts Lane to decommissionin the unit. Plus handover checks.
 

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This might of been asked before but what actually is involved with decommissioning? I can assume it involves removing any branding and giving the unit back to the lease company is an acceptable condition (even if that involves scrap)
 
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This might of been asked before but what actually is involved with decommissioning? I can assume it involves removing any branding and giving the unit back to the lease company is an acceptable condition (even if that involves scrap)
Branding certainly isn't removed, just watch any scrap drag videos. Sometimes equipment like GSM-R is removed for re-use somewhere else, but most likely it'll follow everything else into the shredder.
 

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Newports next victims: 5832 & 5818 due off tomorrow. Should be a gap until 07/06/22 after this due to the BH etc.
 

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Newports next victims: 5832 & 5818 due off tomorrow. Should be a gap until 07/06/22 after this due to the BH etc.
66744 being the loco for today’s move.
Not sure if anyone knows what the 455 scrap schedule is for next week in terms of what units are going?
 

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5Q55 1033 Stewarts Lane to Newport Docks Simms being hauled by 66744 Crossrail with the Arlington vans taking 455832 and 455818 for scrap through Shepherd's Bush on time..
 

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Branding certainly isn't removed, just watch any scrap drag videos. Sometimes equipment like GSM-R is removed for re-use somewhere else, but most likely it'll follow everything else into the shredder.
The shoes will need to be removed (and appear to be in the photos of the scrap moves) as they will not be in gauge for some of the route. Hope the GSM-R radio 'block' is removed, if not the drivers display, as the SIM card is sealed into it and is Network Rail Telecom property, not TOC or ROSCO. The GSM-R radios will only have recently been upgraded to version 4.
 

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So are the brakes on the 455 units not functional at all when being towed and therefore totally reliant on the loco and barrier wagons for braking?
The brakes are functional on the 455s, the barrier vehicles are used as the couplings are not compatible with the GBRF 66s and also they have equipment on board to translate the loco’s air brakes with the brakes on the 455s. When similar moves are operated by Rail Operations Group, barrier vehicles are not required as their locos are fitted with coupling adaptors and the brake translation equipment is fitted within the loco.
For an unbraked move a lot more barriers are required for additional brake force. On 26 April when unbraked 365506 was taken to Newport Docks, in addition to the four unbraked vehicles of the 365, there were also two locos at the front followed by one barrier coach, with a further four barrier coaches at the rear. The speed of this train was also a lot slower at 40 mph.
 

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The brakes are functional on the 455s, the barrier vehicles are used as the couplings are not compatible with the GBRF 66s and also they have equipment on board to translate the loco’s air brakes with the brakes on the 455s. When similar moves are operated by Rail Operations Group, barrier vehicles are not required as their locos are fitted with coupling adaptors and the brake translation equipment is fitted within the loco.
For an unbraked move a lot more barriers are required for additional brake force. On 26 April when unbraked 365506 was taken to Newport Docks, in addition to the four unbraked vehicles of the 365, there were also two locos at the front followed by one barrier coach, with a further four barrier coaches at the rear. The speed of this train was also a lot slower at 40 mph.
Many thanks for explaining this.
 

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So are the brakes on the 455 units not functional at all when being towed and therefore totally reliant on the loco and barrier wagons for braking?
Not that I know of.They don't do unfitted freight trains anymore as far as I know.Previous reply explains it better.
Saw 455815 and 45584? Heading from Clapham to Stew Lane a day or two ago.
 
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