Southern Platforms Length Information 2020

[AEnnis]

Hi Members

I was wondering if any of you could help me with a project im trying to work on at the moment but struggling with.
I am after Platform Length information(etc Portsmouth Harbour 12 Coaches) for All Stations and All Stops throughout the entire Southern Network Even the ones not managed by Southern or GTR

Any information would be very welcoming
Aiden

 

[PudseyBearHST]

Hi,

I would say the Sectional Appendix would be a good resource as it contains maps of routes including stations and platform lengths in metres. Unfortunately, I can’t get it to load.

 

[I13]

As above, platform lengths should be in the sectional appendix archives - see link below:

National Electronic Sectional Appendix - Network Rail

The National Electronic Sectional Appendix (NESA) contains detailed information useful to operators about network capability, as well as a considerable amount of other data. NESA is an electronic data source with significant advantages over a hard copy publication. These include: Across the...

www.networkrail.co.uk

You'll want the one for Kent/Sussex/Wessex, but there's a lot in there so might take a while to find what you're after.

Platform lengths are also in the timetable planning rules (TPRs), which are easier to navigate, link here (look under operational rules EAS-TPR):

Information for operators - Network Rail

Useful documents for passenger and freight train operators We operate, maintain and improve Britain’s railway infrastructure, placing rail users and train operators at the heart of what we do. Here you’ll find the key documents to guide you through how we do business with our customers, which...

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They're split by Kent, Sussex and Wessex, and will all be in section 5.4 of the TPRs. Worth noting however that there can be a lag in platform lengths being updated in case of extensions etc.

 

[pompeyfan]

Do you want length in meters or length in coaches?

also, do you want to include stations that southern pass through but don’t call at?

I can help with the solent area coach lengths. Below is assuming we’re talking about 20m coaches such as 377s.

Southampton Central 12
St Denys 6
Swaythling 4
Southampton airport 12
Eastleigh P2 12, P3 up direction 9.
Hedge end 8
Botley 6
Fareham 8
Bitterne up 6 DN 7
Woolston 7
Sholing 7
Netley 7
Hamble 4
Bursledon 7
Swanwick 7
Portchester 6
Cosham 8
Hilsea 8
Fratton 8
Portsmouth & SS P1, 2 & 4 12, P3 9 (possibly 10?)
Portsmouth harbour P1 8, P3-5 12
Bedhampton 6
Havant 12

Epsom to Guildford are all 10 except for platform 2 and 3 and Guildford which are 12.

 

[DelW]

Quail track diagrams volume 5 (now published by Trackmaps) shows platform lengths in terms of coach numbers for what was Southern Region:

Book 5: Southern & TfL - TRACKmaps

Book 5; Southern & TfL covers the area of Network Rail’s three South East Routes, the Overground, Underground, Docklands Light Railway, London Trams and a number of Heritage and leisure lines. This edition includes the Channel Tunnel Rail Link and Eurotunnel in their entirety from St Pancras to...

www.trackmaps.co.uk

 

[Murray J]

I know most platforms on the East Grinstead line are 12 cars long now (for 377s), except dormans, lingfield, Riddlesdown and Woldingham which are all 8.

 

[swt_passenger]

As above, platform lengths should be in the sectional appendix archives - see link below:

National Electronic Sectional Appendix - Network Rail

The National Electronic Sectional Appendix (NESA) contains detailed information useful to operators about network capability, as well as a considerable amount of other data. NESA is an electronic data source with significant advantages over a hard copy publication. These include: Across the...

www.networkrail.co.uk

You'll want the one for Kent/Sussex/Wessex, but there's a lot in there so might take a while to find what you're after.

Kent route alphabetical platform lengths start at page 131 of that SA pdf, followed by Sussex and Wessex.
They were last updated June 19, Jan 18 and April 17 respectively, as far as I can see.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Do you want length in meters or length in coaches?

also, do you want to include stations that southern pass through but don’t call at?

I can help with the solent area coach lengths. Below is assuming we’re talking about 20m coaches such as 377s.

Southampton Central 12
St Denys 6
Swaythling 4
Southampton airport 12
Eastleigh P2 12, P3 up direction 9.
Hedge end 8
Botley 6
Fareham 8
Bitterne up 6 DN 7
Woolston 7
Sholing 7
Netley 7
Hamble 4
Bursledon 7
Swanwick 7
Portchester 6
Cosham 8
Hilsea 8
Fratton 8
Portsmouth & SS P1, 2 & 4 12, P3 9 (possibly 10?)
Portsmouth harbour P1 8, P3-5 12
Bedhampton 6
Havant 12

Epsom to Guildford are all 10 except for platform 2 and 3 and Guildford which are 12.

Guildford platform 2 is only 12 cars in the down direction, anything reversing is limited to 10 cars (such as Southern services to/from the New Line) due to the location of the London end starting signal and point work.

 

[splashoutradio]

I don't know if this would be of any interest, but platform lengths are provided here: http://www.railwaydata.co.uk/stations
If there's any specific data that would help, let me know as I've got a few datasets that could possibly be queried.

 

[AEnnis]

Hi,

I would say the Sectional Appendix would be a good resource as it contains maps of routes including stations and platform lengths in metres. Unfortunately, I can’t get it to load.

Thanks for your help

 

[AEnnis]

Do you want length in meters or length in coaches?

also, do you want to include stations that southern pass through but don’t call at?

I can help with the solent area coach lengths. Below is assuming we’re talking about 20m coaches such as 377s.

Southampton Central 12
St Denys 6
Swaythling 4
Southampton airport 12
Eastleigh P2 12, P3 up direction 9.
Hedge end 8
Botley 6
Fareham 8
Bitterne up 6 DN 7
Woolston 7
Sholing 7
Netley 7
Hamble 4
Bursledon 7
Swanwick 7
Portchester 6
Cosham 8
Hilsea 8
Fratton 8
Portsmouth & SS P1, 2 & 4 12, P3 9 (possibly 10?)
Portsmouth harbour P1 8, P3-5 12
Bedhampton 6
Havant 12

Epsom to Guildford are all 10 except for platform 2 and 3 and Guildford which are 12.

Length of coaches if possible and also isn’t there a margin either end of the train due to stopping position amongst drivers?

 

[AEnnis]

I don't know if this would be of any interest, but platform lengths are provided here: http://www.railwaydata.co.uk/stations
If there's any specific data that would help, let me know as I've got a few datasets that could possibly be queried.

This may become useful at some point thanks for the link

 

[AEnnis]

I know most platforms on the East Grinstead line are 12 cars long now (for 377s), except dormans, lingfield, Riddlesdown and Woldingham which are all 8.

Thanks

 

[30907]

Length of coaches if possible and also isn’t there a margin either end of the train due to stopping position amongst drivers?

The default coach length is 20m.

 

[AEnnis]

Guildford platform 2 is only 12 cars in the down direction, anything reversing is limited to 10 cars (such as Southern services to/from the New Line) due to the location of the London end starting signal and point work.

Thanks for your help

 

[AEnnis]

As above, platform lengths should be in the sectional appendix archives - see link below:

National Electronic Sectional Appendix - Network Rail

The National Electronic Sectional Appendix (NESA) contains detailed information useful to operators about network capability, as well as a considerable amount of other data. NESA is an electronic data source with significant advantages over a hard copy publication. These include: Across the...

www.networkrail.co.uk

You'll want the one for Kent/Sussex/Wessex, but there's a lot in there so might take a while to find what you're after.

Platform lengths are also in the timetable planning rules (TPRs), which are easier to navigate, link here (look under operational rules EAS-TPR):

Information for operators - Network Rail

Useful documents for passenger and freight train operators We operate, maintain and improve Britain’s railway infrastructure, placing rail users and train operators at the heart of what we do. Here you’ll find the key documents to guide you through how we do business with our customers, which...

www.networkrail.co.uk

They're split by Kent, Sussex and Wessex, and will all be in section 5.4 of the TPRs. Worth noting however that there can be a lag in platform lengths being updated in case of extensions etc.

Thanks very helpful information that is

 

[AEnnis]

I don't know if this would be of any interest, but platform lengths are provided here: http://www.railwaydata.co.uk/stations
If there's any specific data that would help, let me know as I've got a few datasets that could possibly be queried.

If you have more relevant information that you may think may be useful to me then do not
hesitate to send it to me

 

[ctrh136]

Thanks

Slight correction, Riddlesdown and Woldingham take 9 coaches. Think it was so that 8x23m can fit (the 171s)
Ones I know:
Kenley / Whyteleafe South take 5
Whyteleafe takes 7
Caterham / Purley Oaks / South Croydon 8
Purley: platforms 3/4 12, 5/6 10

 

[AEnnis]

Slight correction, Riddlesdown and Woldingham take 9 coaches. Think it was so that 8x23m can fit (the 171s)
Ones I know:
Kenley / Whyteleafe South take 5
Whyteleafe takes 7
Caterham / Purley Oaks / South Croydon 8
Purley: platforms 3/4 12, 5/6 10

Thanks

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Slight correction, Riddlesdown and Woldingham take 9 coaches. Think it was so that 8x23m can fit (the 171s)
Ones I know:
Kenley / Whyteleafe South take 5
Whyteleafe takes 7
Caterham / Purley Oaks / South Croydon 8
Purley: platforms 3/4 12, 5/6 10

Riddlesdown and Woldingham was so 9x20m could fit as up till electrification the DEMUs came in multiples of 3s. Evening peak workings were booked 9 DEMU splitting at Hurst Green for example.

 

[30907]

Riddlesdown and Woldingham was so 9x20m could fit as up till electrification the DEMUs came in multiples of 3s. Evening peak workings were booked 9 DEMU splitting at Hurst Green for example.

Pedantically, for Hurst Green read Oxted.