Split ticket query

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RichardB

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Hello,

I have a season ticket from Bath to Swindon, and a Super Off Peak Return from.Swindon to Farnborough (route "not via London").

Is it permitted to travel from Bath to Farnborough via Salisbury on these tickets?
It

This is a permitted route for the whole journey. I know that since one ticket is a season my train doesn't have to stop at Swindon - but does it have to pass through?

Many thanks in advance for any help.
 
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Hello,

I have a season ticket from Bath to Swindon, and a Super Off Peak Return from.Swindon to Farnborough (route "not via London").

Is it permitted to travel from Bath to Farnborough via Salisbury on these tickets?
It

This is a permitted route for the whole journey. I know that since one ticket is a season my train doesn't have to stop at Swindon - but does it have to pass through?

Many thanks in advance for any help.

Unfortunately, yes. The combination of tickets must cover the whole journey being made.
 

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Strictly speaking, you need to travel on a route which is valid on one or more of your tickets at every point of your journey. Both tickets permit break of journey, so you don't have to visit Swindon on either of them.

If there was a valid route from Bath to Swindon which passed through (say) Westbury, and a route from Swindon to Farnborough which passed through Westbury and Salisbury, you could use your tickets on part of each route without going through Swindon at all.

There isn't, though, so you can't.
 

clagmonster

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For the Bath-Swindon ticket, you are valid by:
a) direct trains,
b) the shortest route. In this case, it is obvious that this is the route taken by the direct trains, certainly not via Salisbury,
c) other routes permitted by the National Routeing Guide:
Bath Spa is a routeing point.
http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/routeing_point_identifier.pdf page 5

Swindon is a routeing point.
http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/routeing_point_identifier.pdf page 59

The only routeing permission for Bath Spa - Swindon is: BL
http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/permitted_route_identifier.pdf page 62

Map BL allows:
Bath Spa - Chippenham - Swindon
http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf page 8

For the Swindon-Farnborough ticket, you are valid by:
a) direct trains,
b) the shortest route. I suspect this is via Reading to Farnborough North, any route via Salisbury would certainly be more than 3 miles longer than this/
c) other routes permitted by the National Routeing Guide.
Swindon is a routeing point.
http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/routeing_point_identifier.pdf page 59

Both Farnborough stations are a member of the Farnborough Group.
http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/routeing_point_identifier.pdf page 23

The only routeing permissions for Swindon-Farnborough Group is: WR+MW
http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/permitted_route_identifier.pdf page 986

Thus, the only mapped route I can see for this ticket is:
WR: Swindon-Didcot-Reading p119
MW: Reading-Wokingham-Farnborough p78
http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/Maps.pdf

Thus, neither of your tickets would be valid via Swindon. To use this combination, you should travel:
Bath Spa - Chippenham - Swindon - Didcot - Reading - Workingham - Farnborough North. As your Bath-Swindon ticket is a season, under condition 19(c), there is no compulsion to travel on a train which calls at Swindon.
 
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