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[roadierway77]

I dare say it will be next week they will come out. But the August changes have come out for consultation. I'm not surprised at what happened to the no36 Fife council are to blame for this mess with its own services running on top of it.

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It's a bit irritating how Stagecoach keeps tinkering with the Dunfermline town routes, switching numbers and routes around at a fairly frequent basis since Covid. It's just confusing to keep up with. The route serving Townhill has changed from a 3 to a 2 back to a 3 in a year and a half. Wedderburn Crescent also looks set to lose its bus service which is unfortunate. The 5 seems like a good addition, restoring the link between Duloch and Rosyth and connects quite well to the X55 in Rosyth, about an 8 minute connection in each direction, though it's not actually much of an improvement upon current journey opportunities from Duloch to Edinburgh considering the 5 will leave Duloch at the same time as the 89 which enables travel to Edinburgh via a change at Ferrytoll.

While it's excellent to see new direct connections such as St Andrews to Perth and Dunfermline to Stirling, it's hard to be pleased about new services such as the 5, 65 and X22 when there is still continuous withdrawals of other services such as the 36, 40 and 93. And the consultation isn't long enough, especially when those who use the 8A between Alloa and Culross have no idea what their future bus service will look like because for some reason not all timetables were finalised at the same time. These changes are just Stagecoach being Stagecoach - managed decline and inadequate service. With every withdrawal they just lose more customers in an endless pursuit of improved profitability.

I wonder if the new service 5 means the end for the X52 between Duloch and Edinburgh?

I'd be surprised if so because it's usually quite busy. They may be using the 5 to gauge if there would be demand for an all-day X52.

 

[RomeoCharlie71]

Wedderburn Crescent also looks set to lose its bus service which is unfortunate.

It will still be served by the 1/1A

 

[VolvoOly85]

It's a bit irritating how Stagecoach keeps tinkering with the Dunfermline town routes, switching numbers and routes around at a fairly frequent basis since Covid. It's just confusing to keep up with. The route serving Townhill has changed from a 3 to a 2 back to a 3 in a year and a half. Wedderburn Crescent also looks set to lose its bus service which is unfortunate. The 5 seems like a good addition, restoring the link between Duloch and Rosyth and connects quite well to the X55 in Rosyth, about an 8 minute connection in each direction, though it's not actually much of an improvement upon current journey opportunities from Duloch to Edinburgh considering the 5 will leave Duloch at the same time as the 89 which enables travel to Edinburgh via a change at Ferrytoll.

While it's excellent to see new direct connections such as St Andrews to Perth and Dunfermline to Stirling, it's hard to be pleased about new services such as the 5, 65 and X22 when there is still continuous withdrawals of other services such as the 36, 40 and 93. And the consultation isn't long enough, especially when those who use the 8A between Alloa and Culross have no idea what their future bus service will look like because for some reason not all timetables were finalised at the same time. These changes are just Stagecoach being Stagecoach - managed decline and inadequate service. With every withdrawal they just lose more customers in an endless pursuit of improved profitability.


I'd be surprised if so because it's usually quite busy. They may be using the 5 to gauge if there would be demand for an all-day X52.

Is your expectation that they continue to run services which clearly haven’t recovered from Covid as a number that they’ve listed relied heavily on OAP concessions?

Would be interesting to know what the overall difference in mileage/journeys is as as a result of the changes

 

[overthewater]

There is an actually increase in PVR / mileage/journeys, especial when you add the new Express changes to the mix.

* 65 fully takes all the resources from the current 36
* Dunfermline Town, there will be 2 more buses in operation.
* No32 going to the Hospital replaces the old No30 duty. ( No30 and 32 were interworked)
* No40 is interworked with No31. Maybe they will just extend the 31 to Asda but not go via North Street.
* 93, apart from Canongate area, most of the route will still have 4 buses per hour thanks to other services. I dare say this has been curtailed to free up a driver to operate the 65.

Before you ask, what about the cut the No8? or Glenrothes losing 3 duties on the current 36 etc Wait until the Express changes come out:

 

[Scotrail88]

There is an actually increase in PVR / mileage/journeys, especial when you add the new Express changes to the mix.

* 65 fully takes all the resources from the current 36
* Dunfermline Town, there will be 2 more buses in operation.
* No32 going to the Hospital replaces the old No30 duty. ( No30 and 32 were interworked)
* No40 is interworked with No31. Maybe they will just extend the 31 to Asda but not go via North Street.
* 93, apart from Canongate area, most of the route will still have 4 buses per hour thanks to other services. I dare say this has been curtailed to free up a driver to operate the 65.

Before you ask, what about the cut the No8? or Glenrothes losing 3 duties on the current 36 etc Wait until the Express changes come out:

There is an actually increase in PVR / mileage/journeys, especial when you add the new Express changes to the mix.

* 65 fully takes all the resources from the current 36
* Dunfermline Town, there will be 2 more buses in operation.
* No32 going to the Hospital replaces the old No30 duty. ( No30 and 32 were interworked)
* No40 is interworked with No31. Maybe they will just extend the 31 to Asda but not go via North Street.
* 93, apart from Canongate area, most of the route will still have 4 buses per hour thanks to other services. I dare say this has been curtailed to free up a driver to operate the 65.

Before you ask, what about the cut the No8? or Glenrothes losing 3 duties on the current 36 etc Wait until the Express changes come out:

The X22 has appeared on VOSA but do we know what else is broadly planned?

Hope the Glasgow expresses get some improvements in addition to the new buses.

Presume the new buses will arrive for end of July start.

 

[Gareth1980]

* 93, apart from Canongate area, most of the route will still have 4 buses per hour thanks to other services. I dare say this has been curtailed to free up a driver to operate the 65.

The 65 will be Perth Depot rather than St Andrews

 

[overthewater]

That partly explains why they were wanting 8 extra drivers at Perth.

 

[Ohnolookwho]

The X22 has appeared on VOSA but do we know what else is broadly planned?

Hope the Glasgow expresses get some improvements in addition to the new buses.

Presume the new buses will arrive for end of July start.

The new coaches are unlikely to arrive before the end of the year due to manufacturing delays caused by strikes.

 

[Blindtraveler]

That's not so good, although the customers will enjoy them when they come, had a shot on one of the Megabus ones a few weeks back and I'm quite keen to repeat the experience

 

[computerSaysNo]

The new coaches are unlikely to arrive before the end of the year due to manufacturing delays caused by strikes.

That's not ideal. Are the strikes in the UK or another country?
I was wondering if Stagecoach would get compensation for the delivery delay but I guess we'll never know as they'd likely classify that as "commercially sensitive information".

 

[Ohnolookwho]

That's not ideal. Are the strikes in the UK or another country?
I was wondering if Stagecoach would get compensation for the delivery delay but I guess we'll never know as they'd likely classify that as "commercially sensitive information".

from my understanding they are being built abroad, so the strikes were out there. As far as i am aware, the strikes are over but as a result everything from those plants is delayed.

 

[overthewater]

Detail of the summer express changes have now appeared. The missing early morning journey No95 that was reported on a few pages back will now appear, which is odd as they just reprinted the timetable; another reprint is required.

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Improvements to our Express services from Monday 29th July​

A number of service enhancements will take place on Monday 29th July for our Express services across Fife and into Edinburgh, Glasgow and Perth.
Ahead of the Edinburgh Festival, this will increase the number of journeys to and from Edinburgh on services X55, X56, X59 and X61, with some adjustments to timings to improve reliability and in response to customer and staff feedback.
We’re doubling the frequencies on service X55 between Dunfermline, Rosyth and Edinburgh with daytime services operating up to every 15 minutes and evening services every 30 minutes.
We’re also re-instating late night journeys from Edinburgh on Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights too, ensuring safe travel home for those enjoying the Edinburgh Festival and beyond, with all existing tickets and passes valid on these night buses. (These late night journeys will operate Monday to Saturday during the festival, reverting back to Thurs/Fri/Sat evenings thereafter).
More Sunday journeys are being added into the network, providing a 2 hourly service on the X56 (Perth-Kinross-Kelty-Edinburgh).
New Sunday journeys between Kirkcaldy and Edinburgh will also be introduced on the X61 alongside additional journeys on service X59, which means the frequency of service available between Halbeath Park & Ride and Edinburgh will increase to every 15 minutes during the daytime.
On Sundays, service X61 will also provide new links between the East Neuk and Edinburgh, providing more opportunities for tourists and locals alike to visit our many great scenic and visitor attractions. Service X60 will continue to provide these links Monday to Saturdays as it does at present.
A new express service will be introduced between Dunfermline and Stirling, calling at Oakley, Blairhall and Alloa providing journeys up to every hour, 7 days a week. Service X22 provides a brand new bus link across West Fife, offering new travel opportunities and a convenient service for students, as they can connect with Midland Bluebird’s Unilink service at Stirling bus station for the University of Stirling.
With our recent expansion of the West Fife ticket zone, to include Stirling and Forth Valley, it also means customers using this new route benefit from reduced fares through our range of multi-journey ticket options and a new day return ticket to be introduced between Alloa and Stirling too.
A number of other minor timing and stop changes will take place from Monday 29th July on other express services to improve service punctuality and to reflect customer and staff feedback. A summary of all the changes taking place on this date is below, with full timetables available by mid July:

• Service 95: Additional early morning journeys added to provide connections into the new Leven Rail Station. Some evening journeys will also be retimed to improve rail connections.
• New service X22: New express service linking Dunfermline and Stirling operating via Oakley, Blairhall and Alloa. Service will operate 7 days a week with an hourly frequency.
• Service X24: Minor timetable changes to improve reliability. Including a later last departure from Glasgow.
• Service X27: Minor timetable changes to improve reliability and later connections from Kirkcaldy back to Glasgow in the evenings.
• Service X51: Will no longer serve St John’s Hospital due to low usage to this site. The route is therefore retimed to improve reliability.
• Service X52: Minor timetable changes.
• Service X55: The frequency of this service will be increased to operate every 15 minutes through the day Monday – Sunday. Evening frequencies also increased to operate every 30 minutes Monday – Sunday. New journeys will operate Thursday night/Friday Morning, Friday night/Saturday morning and Saturday night/Sunday morning providing a night bus service to and from Edinburgh from Dunfermline/Rosyth/Ferrytoll P&R. These night services will operate Monday – Saturday during the Edinburgh Festival.
• Services X54/X59/X59A: New journeys on service X59A will be created between Glenrothes and Edinburgh. These will operate via Cowdenbeath, with most journeys on the X54 no longer serving Cowdenbeath to improve reliability. This will increase the number of buses between Glenrothes – Edinburgh from 2 buses per hour, to 3 per hour Monday – Saturday. The X59A will operate every two hours on a Sunday and combine with the new Sunday X56 to provide an additional hourly departure from Halbeath – Edinburgh. Additional evening journeys running specifically during the Edinburgh Festival are also added. We have re-evaluated the limited stop arrangements on these express services between St Andrews/Dundee and Glenrothes to reduce the number of stops served, which will improve reliability and speed up journeys – something that has been requested by customers previously.
• Service X56: The timetable will be revised, adding earlier and later journeys both ways between Perth to Edinburgh. A two-hourly Sunday service is also introduced. There will be minor revisions to service 56 to fit with revised X56 and retain a consistent timetable.
• Services X58/X60/X61: These timetables will be revised; service X60 will be replaced in the evenings by X61s, with more journeys between Leven, Kirkcaldy and Edinburgh added. Daytime journeys on the X60 will not serve Dalgety Bay, Pentland Rise, but peak journeys, numbered X60A, will maintain the current route. Throughout the day, service X60 will serve Dalgety Bay Rail Station. The X58 route through Dalgety Bay will continue as at present. Stopping arrangements between St Andrews bus station and Kirkcaldy bus station will be revised to reduce the number of stops to improve reliability and speed up journeys.

 

[computerSaysNo]

Detail of the Summer Express changes have now appeared. The Missing EALRY morning journey that was reported on a few pages back will now appear, Which is odd as they just reprinted the timetable so another reprint here we go...

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What are the vehicle allocations likely to be, as I thought East Scotland were struggling to meet the requirement of coaches anyway?
I'd guess it's probably just the X55 and X22 which are needing an increase. X22 I can see getting diesel single-decks. X55 I'm not sure as even if they allocate it any flavour of E400, they'd need enough spare coaches to swap onto it if the Forth Bridge gets closed to high-sided vehicles, unless the plan is to drop back down to a half-hour frequency with the B8RLE PantherLEs in those circumstances?

Also, a personal moan; I wish they'd have just added one extra journey to the X55 per hour and made the other one as an X22 to Stirling (via Dunfermline)!

 

[overthewater]

There are actually enough B8 panthers to operate this increase X55. They might fudge it by having a small gap in the morning so X52 can still use one.

* 9-10 PVR for X55
* 2 - PVR for X51
* 3 - PVR for X61 daytime.

If anything breaks down it will be a decker. I also wouldn't rule out deckers on the X22.

 

[BobbyBKinross]

There is actually enough B8 panthers to operate this increase X55, They might fudge it by having a small gap in the morning so x52 can still use one.

* 9-10 PVR for X55
* 2 - PVR for X51
* 3 - PVR for X61 daytime.

If anything breakdown it will be a decker. I also wouldn't rule out decker's on the X22.

Bear in mind that 2 or 3 B8 Panthers will likely get transferred to Perth as it seems like they will now cover all rotas/journeys on it.

 

[overthewater]

Bear in mind that 2 or 3 B8 Panthers will likely get transferred to Perth as it seems like they will now cover all rotas/journeys on it.

Most likely they will only send one to Perth so they have 4 to cover the X56, plus the still have some B9 coaches.

 

[fife_circle]

There is actually enough B8 panthers to operate this increase X55, They might fudge it by having a small gap in the morning so x52 can still use one.

* 9-10 PVR for X55
* 2 - PVR for X51
* 3 - PVR for X61 daytime.

If anything breakdown it will be a decker. I also wouldn't rule out decker's on the X22.

If they are using the same route through Blairhall that the 28 does I can’t imagine the deckers will fit through the low bridge on the B9037 towards the bypass. This will obviously be avoided if it instead does a loop of Blairhall and goes back onto the A907 and to Alloa that way.

That’s assuming that the service will actually come into the village, perhaps it might only call at the stop on the A907 and continue through to Alloa. This however would cause issues on the return trip into Dunfermline as there is no stop on the other side of the road there.

 

[DavidC]

Does this new update mean there will be X55s departing Dunfermline Bus Station at 07:07 and 07:37 on Fridays? A very encouraging update overall.

 

[CSB0241]

I dare say it will be next week they will come out. But the August changes have come out for consultation. I'm not surprised at what happened to the no36 Fife council are to blame for this mess with its own services running on top of it.

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Detail of the summer express changes have now appeared. The missing early morning journey No95 that was reported on a few pages back will now appear, which is odd as they just reprinted the timetable; another reprint is required.

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I’ll just say my thoughts here:

Services 1/1A - these will replace the current 1 and 2, and will run between Dunfermline city centre and Fife Leisure Park/Learning Campus via Brucefield, Abbeyview, Duloch Park and Amazon.

Services 2/2A - these replace the current 3 and 5, and run between Dunfermline city centre and Fife Leisure Park/Learning Campus via Woodmill, Touch, Abbeyview, Duloch Park, Lapwing Drive and Pitcorthie (2) or the reverse (2A).

Service 3 - this replaces the current service 2 between Dunfermline city centre and Townhill.

Service 5 - this is a new service between Ferrytoll and Fife Leisure Park/Learning Campus via Rosyth, Pitreavie Castle, Amazon and Duloch Park, designed as a connecting route to Express services to Edinburgh.

Contrary to most people’s opinions, I actually really like these. Having the 1 & 2 being listed as the 1 & 1A works much better, although I would like if the layby times at James Street was increased (although how they’d go about it, I’m unsure). I do like the 2 & 2A & the way they’ve been fused, but again, longer laybys would be preferable. The 3 is interesting, I think the 9:1 ratio for layby times is odd, & the choice of the Bus Station over James Street somewhat baffles me. The thing with the 3 that baffles me the most though is, as @roadierway77 has stated, the confusion this will have caused for residents of townhill, what with them going from the 3 to the 2 back to the 3. Lastly, as for the 5, I do adore it in concept, but my problem is the timetable. I’d rather they’d run them 25 minutes later so that there was a ~30min gap between all 5s & 89s. 8/10 proposals.

Service 4 - minor amendments to this timetable with the current evening and Sunday journeys on service 84s attached to the 4B and diverted to Fife Leisure Park/Learning Campus instead of Amazon.

Service 84 - evening and Sunday journeys will be transferred to service 4B.

At first, I thought this was a ridiculous idea with no good reasoning behind it whatsoever, but that was until I discovered that the 4B & 84A interwork with one another upon arrival at Dunfermline Bus Station. I still think it’s ridiculous, but now I can at least see some reasoning behind it. Personally, I’d renumbe the 84A to the 85 as the only similarity between the 84 & 84A is the route between the Bus Station & Hospital Hill. 4/10 proposals.

Service 7D - withdrawn from sections of the route to/from North Queensferry railway station and Kelty Main Street north of Keltyhill Road to improve reliability.

Carlingnose Point was never the most well used section of the route (I can’t recall a single time I’ve seen anyone get on it there), so this makes sense (5/10). I am a bit confused as to what would happen with the route in Kelty though, could anyone please explain it to me?

Service 8/8A - withdrawn west of Culross except for late night journey to Kincardine and Sunday service to Alloa. The new X22 service which commences on 29th July will maintain the link between Dunfermline and Alloa and extends to Stirling.

So, the Kincardine to Alloa link would be abolished, Clackmannan wouldn’t have a daytime link to Kincardine at all, & the bph between Valleyfield to Dunfermline would go down from 3 to 2? Yeah, I’m alright thanks. 2/10 proposal.

Service 19 - certain journeys will be diverted to serve Amazon replacing AZ1.

Service AZ1 – will be withdrawn however services 1, 1A, 5 and certain journeys on the 19 will serve the site.

I get this. I don’t adore it, but I definitely get it. 7/10 proposal.

Service 30 – Will be withdrawn due to low usage and ongoing access issues along the route.

Service 40 – will be withdrawn due to low usage.

Service 93/93A – will be withdrawn due to low usage.

I thought I’d bunch the withdrawals together. The 30 makes sense as the tiny roads in Woodside are a nightmare, so the passing buses on Woodside Way work well enough. The 40 seems like a waste in my opinion, the time spent could just be used for increased laybys on the 31. The 93 also seems like a bit of a waste, as the bits of interest (Bogward) are just served by the 90 & 91.

Service 32 – will be extended to Glenrothes Hospital replacing the 36 and minor timing changes will take place to improve reliability.

Service 36 - this will be replaced between Newburgh and Perth by new service 65. Discussions are ongoing with Fife Council for the section of the route between Glenrothes and Newburgh.

Service 65 - this is a new service replacing the 36 between Perth and Newburgh and extending to Cupar and St Andrews providing new travel opportunities in this area.

I feel like a St. Andrews - Perth link would be more well used than a Glenrothes - Perth link. 7/10 proposal.

New service X22: New express service linking Dunfermline and Stirling operating via Oakley, Blairhall and Alloa. Service will operate 7 days a week with an hourly frequency.

I’m really excited for this. I’m surprised it’s been so long since there was a link between the two cities, but I’ll really take what I can get. I intend to go on this soon after it starts. 8/10 route.

Service X51: Will no longer serve St John’s Hospital due to low usage to this site. The route is therefore retimed to improve reliability.

Yeah, the 4min layovers at both ends really don’t do the X51 proud, so any reliability improvements are appreciated. 6/10.

Service X55: The frequency of this service will be increased to operate every 15 minutes through the day Monday – Sunday. Evening frequencies also increased to operate every 30 minutes Monday – Sunday. New journeys will operate Thursday night/Friday Morning, Friday night/Saturday morning and Saturday night/Sunday morning providing a night bus service to and from Edinburgh from Dunfermline/Rosyth/Ferrytoll P&R. These night services will operate Monday – Saturday during the Edinburgh Festival.

Services X54/X59/X59A: New journeys on service X59A will be created between Glenrothes and Edinburgh. These will operate via Cowdenbeath, with most journeys on the X54 no longer serving Cowdenbeath to improve reliability. This will increase the number of buses between Glenrothes – Edinburgh from 2 buses per hour, to 3 per hour Monday – Saturday. The X59A will operate every two hours on a Sunday and combine with the new Sunday X56 to provide an additional hourly departure from Halbeath – Edinburgh. Additional evening journeys running specifically during the Edinburgh Festival are also added. We have re-evaluated the limited stop arrangements on these express services between St Andrews/Dundee and Glenrothes to reduce the number of stops served, which will improve reliability and speed up journeys – something that has been requested by customers previously.

Service X56: The timetable will be revised, adding earlier and later journeys both ways between Perth to Edinburgh. A two-hourly Sunday service is also introduced. There will be minor revisions to service 56 to fit with revised X56 and retain a consistent timetable.

Services X58/X60/X61: These timetables will be revised; service X60 will be replaced in the evenings by X61s, with more journeys between Leven, Kirkcaldy and Edinburgh added. Daytime journeys on the X60 will not serve Dalgety Bay, Pentland Rise, but peak journeys, numbered X60A, will maintain the current route. Throughout the day, service X60 will serve Dalgety Bay Rail Station. The X58 route through Dalgety Bay will continue as at present. Stopping arrangements between St Andrews bus station and Kirkcaldy bus station will be revised to reduce the number of stops to improve reliability and speed up journeys.

I like all of the Edinburgh route changes, aside from one aspect: the combined timetables. There are random gaps from every 5min to every 10min, & there’s one point where the X55 & X54 depart at the same time. I’d rather that the Halbeath-Edinburgh were every 15min, the Edinburgh-Dunfermline corridor were every 15min (which golly gee, look what’s happened), & the other buses were every 15min (30min to Inverkeithing, 30min to ____). If we want a more in depth review on each:

• X54/9/9A: It’s nice that there’s more capacity to Glenrothes, but it’s annoying how they aren’t a set 20min frequency. 8/10.
• X55: This is going to make my life so much easier, as someone who frequently travels between Edinburgh & Dunfermline. 8/10.
• X56: This will make it easier for me to do an X56 full route visual, & the links for Bridge of Earn, Milnathort, & Keltyburn will likely be much appreciated. 7/10.
• X58/X60/X61: So the Sunday X61 is now just the 2019 X60. Good to know. 6/10.

Does this new update mean there will be X55s departing Dunfermline Bus Station at 07:07 and 07:37 on Fridays? A very encouraging update overall.

No. Your best bets now are the 0702, 0717, 0732, 0747.

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Has there been any news on the 9700s for Glenrothes recently?

 

[Ohnolookwho]

Has there been any news on the 9700s for Glenrothes recently?

None that I've heard, but the expectation is the Winter at the earliest.

 

[overthewater]

It seems No 36 is being kept but will only operate from Glenrothes to Newburgh: As seen here: https://bustimes.org/registrations/PM0000004/863

 

[CSB0241]

It seems No 36 is being kept but will only operate from Glenrothes to Newburgh: As seen here: https://bustimes.org/registrations/PM0000004/863

The 5, 30, 40, 93, & AZ1 are also in the cancelled registrations, along with dozens of school contracts (which are likely being nenewed for the updated 2024/25 term). Unfortunately (in my completely objective opinio, see my last post in this thread), it would seem that the 84A is indeed getting replaced by the 4B. I can’t say I’m surprised, but I can’t say I’m pleased either.

 

[Metal Mickey]

There still doesn't appear to be a timetable for the X22 on the Stagecoach website which is disappointing given that it’s only two weeks until it goes live.

If it follows the same route between Alloa and Stirling as McGill’s Midland 51, then they could enjoy a degree of success as McGill’s haven’t yet managed to revert to the frequency provided pre-2020 on this corridor.

 

[overthewater]

The 5, 30, 40, 93, & AZ1 are also in the cancelled registrations, along with dozens of school contracts (which are likely being nenewed for the updated 2024/25 term). Unfortunately (in my completely objective opinio, see my last post in this thread), it would seem that the 84A is indeed getting replaced by the 4B. I can’t say I’m surprised, but I can’t say I’m pleased either.

All the changes are going ahead, Although its unclear if Stagecoach has lost the Daytime No14 and if so to whom, and if Fife council or Stagecoach will agree to keep most of the No8s to Alloa. There is a few other minor changes linked to Fife council contract for Central Fife, which are also unclear.

There still doesn't appear to be a timetable for the X22 on the Stagecoach website which is disappointing given that it’s only two weeks until it goes live.

If it follows the same route between Alloa and Stirling as McGill’s Midland 51, then they could enjoy a degree of success as McGill’s haven’t yet managed to revert to the frequency provided pre-2020 on this corridor.

The timetable has been on Bus times dot org for two weeks now?

 

[Metal Mickey]

The timetable has been on Bus times dot org for two weeks now?

That’s fine for enthusiasts, but what about normal passengers who are more likely to refer to the operator’s website?

 

[CSB0241]

There still doesn't appear to be a timetable for the X22 on the Stagecoach website which is disappointing given that it’s only two weeks until it goes live.

The timetable has been on Bus times dot org for two weeks now?

That’s fine for enthusiasts, but what about normal passengers who are more likely to refer to the operator’s website?

Whilst I do use bustimes for all of my timetable needs, most people who rely on or use buses will use the website, so it would be nice if they added it to the timetables page.

If it follows the same route between Alloa and Stirling as McGill’s Midland 51, then they could enjoy a degree of success as McGill’s haven’t yet managed to revert to the frequency provided pre-2020 on this corridor.

It’ll only be the same route as the 51 to Manor Plowis, then it’ll go via Springkerse instead. I’ve attached a map to show the route both follow (blue = 51, orange = X22).

 

[Metal Mickey]

It’ll only be the same route as the 51 to Manor Plowis, then it’ll go via Springkerse instead. I’ve attached a map to show the route both follow (blue = 51, orange = X22).

Thanks for sharing this. That route should be slightly quicker, depending on traffic at the retail park, than the 51. It also opens up a new market from much of Clacks to Springkerse.

 

[Tayway]

I would have thought going via Stirling University might have attracted more business

 

[Stan Drews]

Thanks for sharing this. That route should be slightly quicker, depending on traffic at the retail park, than the 51. It also opens up a new market from much of Clacks to Springkerse.

It also omits the main Alloa town centre stop at Shillinghill, so that will save a few mins too.

 

[computerSaysNo]

Why are Citylink able to run duplicates routinely, but Stagecoach won't run them even when they know services are going to be busy?
Question inspired by the fact that the majority of buses heading into Edinburgh late this morning are showing "bus full" and there was a long queue for Edinburgh buses at Ferrytoll P&R.