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markymark2000

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Just because they were linked didn't mean there was suddenly a great untapped market of passengers wanting to travel across South Molton.
I agree. It does however act as a major deterrent, or 'barrier to travel' to use industry phrases. It's a bit different going between frequent services or an infrequent to a frequent. But to go from an unreliable infrequent route to another unreliable infrequent route, with no stated guarantee about the connection, the few who would make the journey, aren't given much confidence.

Just that you said you'd be stuffed. I thought you were referring to somewhere with few or no amenities, not just a personal preference.
Stuffed as in it could ruin the rest of your day. In my case, this connection here could have ruined my chances of getting on the Exmoor Coaster on short break I had. Had this connection not worked, even with plenty of buffer time that I had accounted for, there seemed to be a fair bit of late running and so if the next bus was late, I would have missed connections. For others may be planning to meet up or visit someone and if this connection failed, it could mean less time together or lead to them cancelling the trip because of the poor connections. You have facilities there but it doesn't really make up for the loss to the rest of your day.
 
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I agree. It does however act as a major deterrent, or 'barrier to travel' to use industry phrases. It's a bit different going between frequent services or an infrequent to a frequent. But to go from an unreliable infrequent route to another unreliable infrequent route, with no stated guarantee about the connection, the few who would make the journey, aren't given much confidence.
I appreciate the sentiment but let's keep it in perspective. This is a connection that very few people use, and very few used the through facility. I don't like forced interchange (for ideological reasons) but you can't have direct services all the time.
Stuffed as in it could ruin the rest of your day. In my case, this connection here could have ruined my chances of getting on the Exmoor Coaster on short break I had. Had this connection not worked, even with plenty of buffer time that I had accounted for, there seemed to be a fair bit of late running and so if the next bus was late, I would have missed connections. For others may be planning to meet up or visit someone and if this connection failed, it could mean less time together or lead to them cancelling the trip because of the poor connections. You have facilities there but it doesn't really make up for the loss to the rest of your day.
As someone who undertakes similar trips, I do understand. I did the original EXMO in 2021and the improved one last year, and both time did it from EXMO via Barnstaple to Tiverton experiencing the 155/346 last year. I do many trips and, in one instance I've recounted in the past, had to get a taxi from Abergavenny to Chepstow as an earlier connection on the T4 had been late in Brecon. However, those of us and the trips we do are atypical. I'd add that with any sort of connection on a service that is less than every 15 mins frequency (and certainly hourly and more), it's a difficult balance to strike. Have too small a window, and it may be vulnerable to delay. To large a window and a) people complain and b) if the wheels ain't turning, the bus ain't earning.

In answer to @embers25 original comments, I think it was fairly understandable why the 346 was a Solo route. The loadings don't demand anything else. Now you're going to have a 346 trundling around with decker burning up twice the fuel.
 

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From memory wording for E1/E2 in Stagecoach timetable changes website section said "an enhanced capacity will be offered with larger vehicles allocated to all journeys". I doubt anything larger than E200s would be used and note one Solo is currently tracking so perhaps just meant all workings will be guaranteed E200s? Wasn't the route mainly (all?) Solos until recently, if so possibly the capacity upgrade has already taken place?
Was all solos until they trialled 36229 on it in late 2020. More and more different buses were used on it from then
 

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That would seem unlikely but also overkill. You can never create a timetable that is so robust that it is impervious to every potential disruption.
If you're running the 155 effectively through from Barnstaple to Tivvy now with doubles and Tivvy to Exeter is also double, then running the 155 through Exeter to Barnstaple again would require no additional resource and the same size buses as now being proposed. It would just make it easier for the albeit few through passengers.
 

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If you're running the 155 effectively through from Barnstaple to Tivvy now with doubles and Tivvy to Exeter is also double, then running the 155 through Exeter to Barnstaple again would require no additional resource and the same size buses as now being proposed. It would just make it easier for the albeit few through passengers.
Longer routes have more risk of unreliability and if the 155 is beset by unreliability, it would seem to be less well advised especially if it forms (or is supposed to) part of a balanced 30 min headway as the 55.
 
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From memory wording for E1/E2 in Stagecoach timetable changes website section said "an enhanced capacity will be offered with larger vehicles allocated to all journeys". I doubt anything larger than E200s would be used and note one Solo is currently tracking so perhaps just meant all workings will be guaranteed E200s? Wasn't the route mainly (all?) Solos until recently, if so possibly the capacity upgrade has already taken place?
I just don't understand how they manage the hills and the sharp turns, especially with 4.5l engines.
 

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Anyone know why Bustimes displays the 6 (Okehampton-Bude) with this message?:
This may be a "closed-door" school or works service, not open to the public
I got this service yesterday (Tuesday) and have used it for years and it is certainly not a "closed-door service", far from it, its a very popular service.
 

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Might be an erroneous "not public" marker in the Bus Open Data.
Exactly right. Somewhere in Stagecoach there is an issue whereby loads of routes are wrongly marked as not for public use in the Stagecoach open data. After many attempts to email in to various people including the OpCos and the dedicated open data team, they couldn't care less.
 

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6B once a day Tavistock-Okehampton down the main road not via Lydford
Journey times are very competitive with Dartline's 118 (which runs via Lydford) with the 6B taking ~40 minutes and the 118 taking ~60 minutes. But the 118 has the advantage of frequency (hourly) and serves Okehampton Station (every 2 hours).
 

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Changes came in yesterday. On my route (Pinhoe Road) both the B and I/J are increased to every 20 mins on Monday to Friday and they are co-ordinated, so we get a 10 minute frequency (in theory). Previously the two routes ran half-hourly at almost the same time in one direction or the other. We still have service I (eye) and 1 (one) running along the same road. We (the bus user group) suggested that route I (eye) should be changed to K, but Stagecoach has now used K for the Cowley Bridge - Pennsylvania service.
 

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Stagecoach would kill for new buses on the 12 every 6 years
Since the '04' Tridents, it's been not far off that, with the '61' Scania/E400 after them, then the current '67' Scania/E400MMC. Torquay was supposed to get some of the fairly recent large order of E400MMC (numbers 11607-11628), but those were diverted mostly to Newcastle and Merseyside.....

HTH
 

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Since the '04' Tridents, it's been not far off that, with the '61' Scania/E400 after them, then the current '67' Scania/E400MMC. Torquay was supposed to get some of the fairly recent large order of E400MMC (numbers 11607-11628), but those were diverted mostly to Newcastle and Merseyside.....

HTH
They’ll have gone a whopping 8 years by the time the electric buses are due
 

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Changes came in yesterday. On my route (Pinhoe Road) both the B and I/J are increased to every 20 mins on Monday to Friday and they are co-ordinated, so we get a 10 minute frequency (in theory). Previously the two routes ran half-hourly at almost the same time in one direction or the other. We still have service I (eye) and 1 (one) running along the same road. We (the bus user group) suggested that route I (eye) should be changed to K, but Stagecoach has now used K for the Cowley Bridge - Pennsylvania service.
D for Digby?
 

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D for Digby?
You’d have to have the letters broadly the same as I/J as its a clockwise/anti-clockwise circular loop. I’ve never really understood why Exeter has letters for routes when a numbering system is surely easier to do.
 

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You’d have to have the letters broadly the same as I/J as its a clockwise/anti-clockwise circular loop. I’ve never really understood why Exeter has letters for routes when a numbering system is surely easier to do.
Exeter's city services have always been lettered, since the days when they were run by Exeter Corporation. The services were merged into the-then Devon General network in 1970.

There is a school of thought that some bus users find letters easier to remember than numbers.
 

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The I/J used to be the K before it was extended between Whipton and Countess Wear via Digby to form a loop and it went to Pinhoe so there is some logic to this idea, along with the confusion between I and 1, but there are much bigger fish to fry in Exeter I would argue! At least Stagecoach have largely arranged even service frequencies and gaps across Exeter when multiple routes combine with this revision. Whipton to town was one of the most ridiculous and so the changes are welcome as an I/J passenger.

It will be interesting to see how the 4 handles things when the Uni returns and Uni and College students need to travel at the same time, but it makes sense replacing the Uni this way and saving buses running largely empty from town to St Lukes. At least with the LTN gone the traffic levels on Honiton Road and Polsloe Road should be better now.

The 5B going back to double is welcome too as it did get packed at school times and also it's much nicer on a double than a single. The tweaking of the 24 helps but there is still too much time between Tiverton and Wellington.

Next summer if they do it again, they really should promote the open topper that ran all day on the 57 as it would surely bring in custom to those journeys.
 

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So much for the claim that the E route will be exclusively operated by larger buses. 4/5 are optares today.

Reports on Facebook are that the first of Torquay's new optares has arrived in Exeter, 48162.
 

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So much for the claim that the E route will be exclusively operated by larger buses. 4/5 are optares today.

Reports on Facebook are that the first of Torquay's new optares has arrived in Exeter, 48162.
Well, you've got to admit, if loadings aren't too great the Solo SR is perfect for all the hairpin bends!
 

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New vehicle 48162 (YJ74 DFA) seen "out of service" in Bear Street, Barnstaple, just after 10:00 this morning. It seemed to be on a driver familiarisation run as it was virtually full of people who I believe to be members of staff.
 

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New vehicle 48162 (YJ74 DFA) seen "out of service" in Bear Street, Barnstaple, just after 10:00 this morning. It seemed to be on a driver familiarisation run as it was virtually full of people who I believe to be members of staff.
Looking on Bus times, the bus followed the routes of the 303, 309 & 310 which Stagecoach seem to be taking over from Filers.
 

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Looking on Bus times, the bus followed the routes of the 303, 309 & 310 which Stagecoach seem to be taking over from Filers.

Hadn't seen that they were taking on those routes. And so the operation of the 309/310 changes to someone else - think I've done that on First and Filers :D
The owner of Filers is well into his 80s and retired his service work as of the end of service yesterday. Unsure if he’s keeping his school contracts and private hire going for the time being. Seen mention somewhere on Facebook that Streets were taking over some school contracts, but haven’t seen anything official to back that up.

Stagecoach take over tomorrow, as I don’t think there is a winter Sunday service on any of the routes concerned.
 

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Hadn't seen that they were taking on those routes. And so the operation of the 309/310 changes to someone else - think I've done that on First and Filers :D

The owner of Filers is well into his 80s and retired his service work as of the end of service yesterday. [...]
While at Barnstaple station today I saw a Filers Streetlite at Barnstaple station this afternoon while I was waiting for the 1657 Barnstaple Station to Landkey (ScSW Service 155): I failed to note the registration but if the bustimes info speaks true it would have been SK16 GXV.

Also seen at Barnstaple station was a Service 303 for Woolacombe in the hands of new ScSW Optare 48162 (YJ74 DFA).

Dave
 

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