birchesgreen
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These don't look too bad, is there any white on black? I think those look pretty good at New St.
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Stations rebranded to Great British Railways design / Rail Alphabet 2
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gabrielhj07
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These look quite good. Less of that white space.
That platform sign is a bit of and odd one with arrows pointing two ways with small pictograms. It's not immediately clear to me which way I'm supposed to go.
If I'm reading it correctly the escalator is to the left, surely this is the main flow, so should carry a large arrow. The lift to the right should then be a smaller arrow with the word Lift.
telstarbox
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Came here to post about LBG!
Hopefully the new signs will stand out more than the old blue ones, and will make way finding clearer at London Bridge. I always struggle there, whoever designed the layout of the ticket barriers a) had never used a train before and b) was blind.
As LBG is a major terminal, does this mean NR are now going to roll this out at the rest of the major stations that they operate? So far I only remember seeing new signage at Waterloo, is it at any other London or NR stations?
As LBG is a major terminal, does this mean NR are now going to roll this out at the rest of the major stations that they operate? So far I only remember seeing new signage at Waterloo, is it at any other London or NR stations?
I thought the signs were pretty clear at LBG, and way better laid out than when St Pancras reopened, or when Heathrow T5 first opened.
Assuming the signs aren't being moved, I'm not sure how this changes anything beyond a new brand identity?
Assuming the signs aren't being moved, I'm not sure how this changes anything beyond a new brand identity?
jhy44
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Hahahaha
I agree though, I’ve only used it a few times and also have ended up not being able to see where my platform is, and then have not been able to work out where the gate line actually is! Given it’s often a place for tight connections it does need to be clearer.
It’s a bit like Birmingham New Street in that the gatelines and ticketed vs non-ticketed mapping is more like a chaotic Tetris screen rather than the traditional horizontal line one expects, I think that’s the cause of most of the woe.
Hopefully these clearer signs make things easier.
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Does the 'DOWN' sign in the second photograph refer to the lift? In which case, why is the arrow not pointing diagonally towards the door? And why is it in upper-case when all other signs are in lower-case? And if it doesn't refer to the lift it is extremely confusing.
CarrotPie
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The down sign refers to line directions (i.e. away from London). It's for the benefit of dispatch staff. There's a light to show the CD/RA status below it too.
At a guess: that looks like it's for staff reference, given its proximity to a signal indicator. "Down" likely refers to the Down direction of the line.
bnc2018
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This must be one of the naffest implementations yet - the Platforms 4&5 sign is terrible. Random amounts of whitespace around the edges, that makes it looks different from all the others. Random font sizes where neither match the size of the arrows. Why are the arrows on separate signs? Why is there a black border around each individual section of the sign? What happened to the double arrow going next to platform direction signs? Also, do we really need four signs saying Lift next to each other?
It barely looks anything like the design guidance - which is especially bad given the guidance was originally made for the NR managed stations.
There was a study that 'proved' black on white showed up more, but I think their methodology was very flawed. They effectively created an average background - which is clearly going to be a greyish blur and make white stand out. But backgrounds aren't greyish blurs - there is loads of white about, and lots of black on white signs and adverts.
The white on dark blue looked much classier and stood out much better.
And even if they go with white it must have a coloured border to make it stand out from the backgrounds, but their fundamentalist 'no variations' standardisation wont allow it.
Double (G)BR / Travel South Yorkshire branding at Dore & Totley
Source: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/tran...ionindustry-activity-7168304733286289408-Trj3
Source: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/tran...ionindustry-activity-7168304733286289408-Trj3
Amen to this.
That's awful. There is too much white space. And who understands that intrusive T logo? I don't. It looks more like a dead-end sign.
Think these look pretty good and good to see the double arrow being used on the sign as intended. I can understand the complaint there's a bit too much white space but I guess the posts are existing and a sign has to be made to fit, it looks quite well proportioned to me.
The T logo is also fine and similar to what has been done in Manchester for stations there. Having a local transport operator logo which sits to the right of the name where applicable seems a good solution to me.
Source https://twitter.com/WorrallLea/status/1754921579555835943
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jamiearmley
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To me, the lettering looks too small.
Needs to be readable from the train!
Of those I have seen around Yorkshire, font size seems to vary widely, which is not good . Standard size for station name signs, preferably in a large, bold font size is essential.
Signs complying to the newest standards at Hartlepool
Source: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/tran...n-this-week-activity-7120737445570064385-etj3
And some horrors at Hull and Morley which appear to be based on an imagination of the standards document rather than the actual thing
Source: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/tran...ranspennine-activity-7138825901118480384-9-pZ
Source: https://x.com/Rich_Crabtree/status/1763708423588196728
Source: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/tran...n-this-week-activity-7120737445570064385-etj3
And some horrors at Hull and Morley which appear to be based on an imagination of the standards document rather than the actual thing
Source: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/tran...ranspennine-activity-7138825901118480384-9-pZ
Source: https://x.com/Rich_Crabtree/status/1763708423588196728
WizCastro197
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Cannot remember if we've mentioned Bath, but here it is.
jhy44
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This is British Rail RA1, not the new RA2. Arguably superior though.
Bletchleyite
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The original arrows look better than the weird skinny ones.
Why have they decided that every single platform at Hull and Morley needs a (G)BR logo? It's a train station, of course the platform will have trains! I'd love to know who signed off on that
Maybe it’s because their new format is so bland that they need to make it clear which signs are railway ones.
nlogax
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Pretty much that. 'Trains over there. Follow red / logo-ey thing'.
bnc2018
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The ones at Hartlepool look good - if only everyone could just follow the guidance...
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WizCastro197
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This one looks quite nice to be honest. White on black looks far better than black on white.