SWR Class 458 to be retained

[fgwrich]

Seeing the seat back would confirm either way. The current seats are quite distinctive.

Well, they’ll have to do a fair about of refurbishment to the seat backs if they are keeping the originals - the reseating and re-arranging of them during the last layout change left them looking rather rough, as well as years of wear and tear and added dents.

 

[Wolfie]

And very comfy they are. Glad to know they're staying, they feel less 'London commuter' and more Scotrail in their squishiness.

Proof, if any was needed, that seat comfort is subjective. As someone who has had past spinal surgery l find them downright awful and completely lacking support.

 

[nlogax]

Proof, if any was needed, that seat comfort is subjective. As someone who has had past spinal surgery l find them downright awful and completely lacking support.

Naturally. Horses for courses etc.

 

[Goldfish62]

Proof, if any was needed, that seat comfort is subjective. As someone who has had past spinal surgery l find them downright awful and completely lacking support.

Indeed. I don't like them. Mushy and no lumbar support.

 

[fgwrich]

Indeed. I don't like them. Mushy and no lumbar support.

Likewise. Those who like the spongey-ness of the current seats also need to remember, should these seats remain, that there’s no guarantee that they will remain as spongey as they are now, as SWRs re-upholstered 159s show. They might have kept their ex BR seats, but the new cushions are still quite firm.

 

[superalbs]

For clarity the first class seats will be new FISA Leans (same as refurb desiros). The standards seats are the originals retrimed.

They are both FISA Lean.

And very comfy they are. Glad to know they're staying, they feel less 'London commuter' and more Scotrail in their squishiness.

They're not staying, sadly, if the image posted is what they're going for.

 

[physics34]

Indeed. I don't like them. Mushy and no lumbar support.

Hence seats should have springs not this cheap foam stuff.

 

[Bigfoot]

The current standard seats in a 458 are horrendously uncomfortable. I'd rather a 707, and they aren't the most comfortable either..

 

[Energy]

They are both FISA Lean.


They're not staying, sadly, if the image posted is what they're going for.

The standard seat in the image doesn't look FISA Lean at all. The seat image has been posted before and iirc it is the original in standard, the other SWR refurbishments have kept the original standard seats and changed first to Leans.

 

[Bletchleyite]

The standard seat in the image doesn't look FISA Lean at all. The seat image has been posted before and iirc it is the original in standard, the other SWR refurbishments have kept the original standard seats and changed first to Leans.

I think the frame is the LEAN (it's a double frame, the armrests are the same both sides), but the Standard cushion is about the worst one I've ever seen on that frame. Talk about making it deliberately bad.

The seat on the right is a good Standard seat and doesn't deserve the title First Class!

 

[Energy]

Are they though? I thought they were but they do look ever so slightly like FISA Lean as well.

The top of the seat is shaped like the existing ones, none of the LEANs on FISA's website match that shape.

I think the frame is the LEAN (it's a double frame), but the Standard cushion is about the worst one I've ever seen on that frame. Talk about making it deliberately bad.

The seat on the right is a good Standard seat and doesn't deserve the title First Class!

It does share the base underneath with the LEAN, I suspect its been slightly adapted to get both the first class and standard class onto the same frame for promotional purposes. Otherwise the cushion doesn't suit the lean at all.

The armrests are also from the LEAN though the original seats didn't have armrests so its SWR just using the same supplier for multiple bits.

 

[D2007wsm]

Are those seats pictured the seats on GWR HSTs? The First Class seat looks like it, the Standard Class looks similar just with different cushions and head rest like on the TFW 158s.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Are those seats pictured the seats on GWR HSTs? The First Class seat looks like it, the Standard Class looks similar just with different cushions and head rest like on the TFW 158s.

No, those are the Grammer IC3000, this is the FISA LEAN. It's the one used on UK Stadler FLIRTs and on the 196s. They are fairly similar though.

 

[Goldfish62]

This is the current Compin seat.

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This is the current Compin seat.

And for comparison is the Fisa LEAN 2.

Lean 2

Lightness and modularity.

www.fisaitaly.com

 

[WombleGuard]

Testing of the new 4 car 458s on SWR soil is imminent.

 

[pompeyfan]

Testing of the new 4 car 458s on SWR soil is imminent.

Interesting and good news!

 

[WombleGuard]

Looks like they will enter service before the 701s at this rate

 

[AJDesiro]

Looks like the table designs have been uploaded to the FISA website: https://www.fisaitaly.com/en/products/bay-tables-by-imet/bay-tables-by-imet#lg=1&slide=2. Does anyone know whether the wireless charging is first class only, or whether it'll be in standard too?

Spoiler

Also, pretty sure these are the standard seats.

 

[Energy]

Also, pretty sure these are the standard seats.

I stand corrected, those look exactly like the standard ones

 

[TEW]

Looks like they will enter service before the 701s at this rate

Testing of the 458s doesn't necessarily mean they'll be entering service it seems. Getting them converted and the fault free running done appears to be committed to, whether they'll actually enter passenger service seems less certain.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Spoiler

Also, pretty sure these are the standard seats.

Solves the debate about whether Compin has been retained or not, thank you. They’re without doubt what’s been used.

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Looks like they will enter service before the 701s at this rate

I guess we need the 701s first to enter service before more 458s can go for refurbishment though. Only 458007 and 458017 will be available.

 

[RealTrains07]

I’ll be interested to see what the complete interior refurbishment looks if this much effort is going into replacing everything

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I’ll be interested to see what the complete interior refurbishment looks if this much effort is going into replacing everything

I want to know if the terrible PIS gets an upgrade.

 

[swr444]

I want to know if the terrible PIS gets an upgrade.

Apparently it isn’t

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Solves the debate about whether Compin has been retained or not, thank you. They’re without doubt what’s been used.

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I guess we need the 701s first to enter service before more 458s can go for refurbishment though. Only 458007 and 458017 will be available.

There’s 3 458s up at Widnes at the moment

 

[RealTrains07]

Is the repainting at Widnes and the refurb at Bournemouth?

 

[swr444]

Is the repainting at Widnes and the refurb at Bournemouth?

It’s all being done at Widnes.

 

[Goldfish62]

Apparently it isn’t

Arrrghhhhhhhh!!!!

 

[py_megapixel]

What's the problem with the existing PIS equipment?

(I assume in this context PIS = passenger information system)

 

[swr444]

What's the problem with the existing PIS equipment?

(I assume in this context PIS = passenger information system)

It runs on wheel revolutions, is very basic and is not guard friendly in the slightest. There’s only PA handsets in the cabs and not in the saloon GOPs

 

[fgwrich]

It runs on wheel revolutions, is very basic and is not guard friendly in the slightest. There’s only PA handsets in the cabs and not in the saloon GOPs

Basic and rubbish. Because of the design of this system, it really seems to suffer when there's poor railhead conditions as it often throws itself out of sync and ends up at least 1 if not 2 stations ahead of itself.