SWR Repaints and Refurbishments

[swt_passenger]

Fratton and Fareham both getting the same treatment with funds released from NR, let to believe it was a combination of gritting salt, and the south coast salty air corroding the steps. Hopefully the new surface they receive will be a long term fix considering the bridge is only about 10 years old.

Fareham at least was badly installed, IMHO. The stair treads seemed to be poorly fitted rubbish on the day it opened, I don’t think they survived the first winter, and adequate repairs have never been made.

At the same time though, it’s very rare to see these footbridges ever being thoroughly cleaned.

 

[swt_passenger]

Yes, I've noticed that SWR never provide information on location of First Class at stations in announcements/in the CIS like other operators, any idea why?

It’s at the London end of 444s by default, they even turn the trains if they get out of position after engineering diversions. They do usually announce when they are the wrong way round though, in my experience.

There’s little point in announcing a 450, as pre-mod they were in carriage 2 or 3, 6 or 7, 10 or 11 of a twelve car. As modified they’ll be in up to six cars of a twelve car. What use is an announcement at the moment if they don’t know if a fully modified train will appear?

 

[SWRtrain_fan]

It’s at the London end of 444s by default, they even turn the trains if they get out of position after engineering diversions. They do usually announce when they are the wrong way round though, in my experience.

There’s little point in announcing a 450, as pre-mod they were in carriage 2 or 3, 6 or 7, 10 or 11 of a twelve car. As modified they’ll be in up to six cars of a twelve car. What use is an announcement at the moment if they don’t know if a fully modified train will appear?

Thanks, that makes sense.

 

[SWRtrain_fan]

The ratio of unrefurbished 450s to fully refurbished 450s is now roughly the same.

 

[WVL14]

An update on SWR Desiro Refurbishments at Eastleigh and 159 refresh at Loughborough;
.
159s:
159015 (unit 16) in 12-6-19, on hand
159002 (unit 17) in 5-7-19, on hand
.
444s:
444027 (unit 25), in 28-6-19, out 8-7-19
444014 (unit 26) in 8-7-19, on hand
.
450s:
450114 (unit 54) in 27-6-19, out 5-7-19.
450092 (unit 55) in 1-7-19, out 6-7-19.
450011 (unit 56) in 5-7-19, on hand
450093 (unit 57) in 6-7-19, on hand
.
Hope that helps.
.

 

[swt_passenger]

Is having 2 x 159s away on refurb leading to any short forms on the Salisbury - Exeter services, or is it possible that there are enough units to go round anyway (especially since the South Hants local DMU services all finished)?

So looked at from the opposite point of view, will there be more strengthened DMU services to come once the overhauls are finished?

 

[Dan15812]

SWR Desiro Refurbishment

NB: SWR Desiro refurbishment is currently being done at a slower rate due to class 442 delay

Partly refurbished 450s:

003, 007, 014, 026, 027, 028, 030, 035, 036, 040, 074, 076, 086, 087, 099, 109, 110, and 124 (18 units)

Fully refurbished 444s:

003, 005, 006, 007, 008, 009, 010, 011*, 013, 014, 015, 019, 020, 022, 025, 027, 029, 033, 034, 035, 038, 039, 040, 041, 042, 044 and 045(26 units completed)(58% complete)

Fully refurbished 450s:

001, 002, 005, 006, 008, 010, 011, 012, 013, 015, 016, 018, 019, 020, 024, 025, 027*, 031, 032, 033, 037, 038, 041, 543, 073, 075, 078, 079, 080, 081, 082, 083, 084, 085, 089*, 091, 092, 093, 094, 095, 097, 100, 102, 103, 105, 106, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 117, 119, 121, 122, 123, 125 and 126(56 units completed)(44% complete)

*currently being done

Let me know if any more trains have been refurbished and I will edit this post regularly

 

[WVL14]

Update on Desiro refurbishments:
.
444s:
444014 (unit 26) in 8-7-19, on hand
.
450s:
450011 (unit 56) in 5-7-19, out 11-7-19
450093 (unit 57) in 6-7-19, out 12-7-19
450027 (unit 58) in 11-7-19
450089 (unit 59) in 12-7-19
.

 

[SWRtrain_fan]

Is having 2 x 159s away on refurb leading to any short forms on the Salisbury - Exeter services, or is it possible that there are enough units to go round anyway (especially since the South Hants local DMU services all finished)?

So looked at from the opposite point of view, will there be more strengthened DMU services to come once the overhauls are finished?

Do the 'South Hants locals" refer to the Southampton-Portsmouth line? If so, no SWR DMUs are used on that line. I think you are correct that having 2 x 159s away at Loughborough does lead to short formations on West of England services, especially as SWR already have a limited number of 158/159s.

 

[SWRtrain_fan]

Update on Desiro refurbishments:
.
444s:
444014 (unit 26) in 8-7-19, on hand
.
450s:
450011 (unit 56) in 5-7-19, out 11-7-19
450093 (unit 57) in 6-7-19, out 12-7-19
450027 (unit 58) in 11-7-19
450089 (unit 59) in 12-7-19
.

Thanks a lot.

 

[swt_passenger]

Do the 'South Hants locals" refer to the Southampton-Portsmouth line? If so, no SWR DMUs are used on that line.

No, the term was usually used in the franchise agreements as a catch all term for all those odd peak extra services such as Basingstoke to Portsmouth, Basingstoke to Southampton, Winchester to Totton, Eastleigh to Portsmouth etc etc that didn’t fit the normal all day patterns.

Running a 159 on the Netley line was just a normal service on that route, albeit with different stock. I think that finished somewhat earlier.

 

[SWRtrain_fan]

No, the term was usually used in the franchise agreements as a catch all term for all those odd peak extra services such as Basingstoke to Portsmouth, Basingstoke to Southampton, Winchester to Totton, Eastleigh to Portsmouth etc etc that didn’t fit the normal all day patterns.

Running a 159 on the Netley line was just a normal service on that route, albeit with different stock. I think that finished somewhat earlier.

Ah I see.

 

[SWRtrain_fan]

I have decided to now post the numbers of unrefurbished 450s and 444s, because refurbished Desiros are now very common.

 

[SWRtrain_fan]

SWR Desiro Refurbishment

NB: SWR Desiro refurbishment is currently being done at a slower rate due to class 442 delay

Partially refurbished 450s:

007, 014, 026, 028, 030, 035, 036, 040, 074, 076, 086, 087, 099, 109, 110 and 124 (16 units)

Unrefurbished 444s:

001, 002, 004, 012, 016, 017, 018, 023, 024, 026, 028, 030, 031, 032, 036, 037, 043 (17 units)

The other 28 444s are refurbished.

Unrefurbished 450s:

Units 544-570 and

004, 009, 017, 021, 022, 023, 029, 039, 042, 071, 072, 077, 088, 090, 096, 098, 107, 108, 116, 118, 120, 127 (49 units)

16 other 450s are partly refurbished.
62 other 450s are fully refurbished.

*currently being done to fully refurbished state

Let me know if any more trains have been refurbished and I will edit this post regularly

 

[387star]

The Network Southeast West of England line depot sign at Salisbury appears to be no more

 

[Jamesrob637]

Does this have anything to do with SWR given Salisbury?

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K01195/2019/07/18/advanced

 

[59CosG95]

Does this have anything to do with SWR given Salisbury?

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K01195/2019/07/18/advanced

Yes - it's 159015 returning from its C6 overhaul at Loughborough. Fully re-liveried - and I assume a new interior has been fitted.

 

[Jamesrob637]

Yes - it's 159015 returning from its C6 overhaul at Loughborough. Fully re-liveried - and I assume a new interior has been fitted.

Thanks. I only picked up on it because the Leicester to Portbury move has delayed it plus several other services between Birmingham and Bromsgrove.

 

[Jamesrob637]

An update on SWR Desiro Refurbishments at Eastleigh and 159 refresh at Loughborough;
.
159s:
159015 (unit 16) in 12-6-19, on hand
159002 (unit 17) in 5-7-19, on hand
.
444s:
444027 (unit 25), in 28-6-19, out 8-7-19
444014 (unit 26) in 8-7-19, on hand
.
450s:
450114 (unit 54) in 27-6-19, out 5-7-19.
450092 (unit 55) in 1-7-19, out 6-7-19.
450011 (unit 56) in 5-7-19, on hand
450093 (unit 57) in 6-7-19, on hand
.
Hope that helps.
.

159015 returning today, 5 weeks after 12 June. Is that how long they take on average?

 

[SWRtrain_fan]

159015 returning today, 5 weeks after 12 June. Is that how long they take on average?

Yes, because 159s go to Loughborough for various reasons:
1. For PRM mods
2. For an external repaint
3. For an internal refresh

 

[Chris172]

How many 444/450 are in the new livery?

 

[swt_passenger]

How many 444/450 are in the new livery?

One of each maybe? They apparently aren’t starting until the interiors are done.

 

[molecrochip]

One of each maybe? They apparently aren’t starting until the interiors are done.

Whilst that is the official line, is it not more to do with no room at Bournemouth until the 442s go into full service / no spare units until the 442s go into full service?

 

[swt_passenger]

Whilst that is the official line, is it not more to do with no room at Bournemouth until the 442s go into full service / no spare units until the 442s go into full service?

Could be. But IIRC it was reported in Modern Railways well before the present 442 delays were apparent.

 

[SWRtrain_fan]

I've found a time-lapse video showing whats involved in the full refurbishment of the 444s and 450s. It's quite interesting imo!

 

[WVL14]

An update on the Desiro refresh moves to/from Eastleigh:

444014 (unit 26) in 8-7-19, out 15-7-19
444011 (unit 27) in 15-7-19, out 22-7-19
444021 (unit 28) in 22-7-19, on hand

450027 (unit 58) in 11-7-19 out 18-7-19 (overtaken by unit 59)
450089 (unit 59) in 12-7-19, out 17-7-19
450104 (unit 60) in 17-7-19, out 23-7-19
450101 (unit 61) in 19-7-19, out 24-7-19
450034 (unit 62) in 23-7-19, on hand
450003 (unit 63) in 24-7-19, on hand
.
Hope that helps.
.

 

[Dan15812]

SWR Desiro Refurbishment

NB: SWR Desiro refurbishment is currently being done at a slower rate due to class 442 delay

Partly refurbished 450s:

003*, 007, 014, 026, 028, 030, 035, 036, 040, 074, 076, 086, 087, 099, 109, 110, and 124 (17 units)

Fully refurbished 444s:

003, 005, 006, 007, 008, 009, 010, 011, 013, 014, 015, 019, 020, 021*, 022, 025, 027, 029, 033, 034, 035, 038, 039, 040, 041, 042, 044 and 045(27 units completed)(60% complete)

Fully refurbished 450s:

001, 002, 003*, 005, 006, 008, 010, 011, 012, 013, 015, 016, 018, 019, 020, 024, 025, 027, 031, 032, 033, 034*, 037, 038, 041, 543, 073, 075, 078, 079, 080, 081, 082, 083, 084, 085, 089, 091, 092, 093, 094, 095, 097, 100, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 117, 119, 121, 122, 123, 125 and 126(60 units completed)(47% complete)

*currently being done

Let me know if any more trains have been refurbished and I will edit this post regularly

 

[SWRtrain_fan]

An update on the Desiro refresh moves to/from Eastleigh:

444014 (unit 26) in 8-7-19, out 15-7-19
444011 (unit 27) in 15-7-19, out 22-7-19
444021 (unit 28) in 22-7-19, on hand

450027 (unit 58) in 11-7-19 out 18-7-19 (overtaken by unit 59)
450089 (unit 59) in 12-7-19, out 17-7-19
450104 (unit 60) in 17-7-19, out 23-7-19
450101 (unit 61) in 19-7-19, out 24-7-19
450034 (unit 62) in 23-7-19, on hand
450003 (unit 63) in 24-7-19, on hand
.
Hope that helps.
.

Thank you so much!

 

[SWRtrain_fan]

SWR Desiro Refurbishment

NB: SWR Desiro refurbishment is currently being done at a slower rate due to class 442 delay

Unrefurbished 444s:

001, 002, 004, 012*, 016, 017, 018, 023, 024, 026, 028, 030, 031, 032, 036, 037, 043 (17 units)

The other 28 444s are refurbished.

450s without the relocated First Class:

Units 544-570 and

004, 007, 009, 014, 017, 021, 022, 023, 026, 028, 029, 030, 035, 036, 039, 040, 042, 071, 072, 074, 076, 077, 086, 087, 088, 090*, 098, 099, 107, 108, 109, 110, 116, 118, 120*, and 124 (63 units)

blue - partly refurbished
black - unrefurbished

The other 64 450s are fully refurbished.

*currently being done to fully refurbished state

Let me know if any more trains have been refurbished and I will edit this post regularly

 

[59CosG95]

159019 is en route from Salisbury to Loughborough for its C6 - which, as established, includes repaint, bodywork repair and new interior.