SWR Repaints and Refurbishments

[Goldfish62]

I did travel on a refurbished 159 recently, the poles are dark blue by the vestibule doors, and a silver-ish colour by the doors. I wonder why they've changed on the 159s but not on the Desiros...

The artists impressions of the refurbs showed them in a lilac/blue colour. I imagine they haven't been changed simply as a time/cost-cutting exercise.

 

[RealTrains07]

The artists impressions of the refurbs showed them in a lilac/blue colour. I imagine they haven't been changed simply as a time/cost-cutting exercise.

Unfortunately that isnt a surprise, read in a couple railway magazines recently first are having finance issues with the franchise in general

Shame though cause although the light blue walls works with the colour scheme the orange will never

Looks like some fully refurbished units are missing the blue hand grips now too and some of the stickers are already missing and peeling off

 

[Dan15812]

Looks like some fully refurbished units are missing the blue hand grips

You mean the Partially refurbished 450's?

 

[RealTrains07]

You mean the Partially refurbished 450's?

Yeah realised once i got off. I presumed it has the full work done since in had some interior stickers which i hadnt seen on a partial refurbished unit before

 

[RealTrains07]

First class on refurbed 450s is interesting at both ends, is it still the same anount of seats as before cause it looks less?

 

[swt_passenger]

First class on refurbed 450s is interesting at both ends, is it still the same anount of seats as before cause it looks less?

No it isn’t. 2 x 8 vs 24 originally. All are table seats now, previously there were 8 in the middle at tables and 16 airline.

 

[WVL14]

An update on the Desiro refresh moves to/from Eastleigh:

444021 (unit 28) in 22-7-19, out 31-7-19
444012 (unit 29) in 31-7-19, on hand

450034 (unit 62) in 23-7-19, out 28-7-19
450003 (unit 63) in 24-7-19, out 29-7-19
450096 (unit 64) in 28-7-19, out 2-8-19
450127 (unit 65) in 29-7-19, out 4-8-19
450120 (unit 66) in 2-8-19, on hand
450090 (unit 67) in 4-8-19, on hand
.
Hope that helps.

 

[SWRtrain_fan]

An update on the Desiro refresh moves to/from Eastleigh:

444021 (unit 28) in 22-7-19, out 31-7-19
444012 (unit 29) in 31-7-19, on hand

450034 (unit 62) in 23-7-19, out 28-7-19
450003 (unit 63) in 24-7-19, out 29-7-19
450096 (unit 64) in 28-7-19, out 2-8-19
450127 (unit 65) in 29-7-19, out 4-8-19
450120 (unit 66) in 2-8-19, on hand
450090 (unit 67) in 4-8-19, on hand
.
Hope that helps.

Thanks a lot.

 

[SWRtrain_fan]

SWR Desiro Refurbishment

NB: SWR Desiro refurbishment is currently being done at a slower rate due to class 442 delay

Non-refurbished 444s:

001, 002, 004*, 016, 017, 018, 023, 024, 026, 028, 030, 031, 032, 036, 037, 043 (17 units)

The other 29 444s are refurbished.

450s without the relocated First Class:

Units 544-570 and

004, 007*, 009, 014, 017*, 021, 022, 023, 026, 028, 029, 030, 035, 036, 039, 040, 042, 071, 072, 074, 076, 077, 086, 087, 088, 098, 099, 107, 108, 109, 110, 116, 118, and 124 (16 partly refurbished)(45 non-refurbished)

The other 66 450s are fully refurbished.

*currently being done to fully refurbished state

Let me know if any more trains have been refurbished and I will edit this post regularly

 

[Dan15812]

SWR Desiro Refurbishment (completed units)

NB: SWR Desiro refurbishment is currently being done at a slower rate due to class 442 delay

Partly refurbished 450s:

007, 014, 026, 028, 030, 035, 036, 040, 074, 076, 086, 087, 099, 109, 110, and 124 (16 units)

Fully refurbished 444s:

003, 005, 006, 007, 008, 009, 010, 011, 012, 013, 014, 015, 019, 020, 021, 022, 025, 027, 029, 033, 034, 035, 038, 039, 040, 041, 042, 044 and 045(29 units completed)(64% complete)

Fully refurbished 450s:

001, 002, 003, 005, 006, 008, 010, 011, 012, 013, 015, 016, 018, 019, 020, 024, 025, 027, 031, 032, 033, 034, 037, 038, 041, 543, 073, 075, 078, 079, 080, 081, 082, 083, 084, 085, 089, 090*, 091, 092, 093, 094, 095, 096, 097, 100, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 117, 119, 120*, 121, 122, 123, 125, 126 and 127 (64 units completed)(50% complete)

*currently being done to fully refurbished state

Let me know if any more trains have been refurbished and I will edit this post regularly

I would particularly like to thank WVL14 for keeping us informed and updated with the referbishment, many thanks !

 

[Dan15812]

Question:

Do they fit all new seat covers when the semi refurbed 450 units are being fully refurbished?

 

[swt_passenger]

Question:

Do they fit all new seat covers when the semi refurbed 450 units are being fully refurbished?

Doesn’t the semi-refurb already provide new seat covers throughout the standard class parts of the train? Then the second phase work must provide a few extra standard seats for use in the former first class area and guards office space, with some transferred in from the end cars, ie the new first class areas.

 

[Goldfish62]

Doesn’t the semi-refurb already provide new seat covers throughout the standard class parts of the train? Then the second phase work must provide a few extra standard seats for use in the former first class area and guards office space, with some transferred in from the end cars, ie the new first class areas.

Yes, all new seat covers (and cushions) in both 1st and standard class.

 

[387star]

Yes, all new seat covers (and cushions) in both 1st and standard class.

Very little to do with the semi done units
So I can see them beimg done rapidly

Wonder when external work starts

 

[SWRtrain_fan]

Wonder when external work starts

Probably when the Desiro interior refurbishments are finished (I'm guessing around January/February 2020). With the current refurb speed, I think the 444s will actually be completed before the 450s.

 

[Goldfish62]

Probably when the Desiro interior refurbishments are finished (I'm guessing around January/February 2020). With the current refurb speed, I think the 444s will actually be completed before the 450s.

Hopefully they'll get repainting the 444s as soon as they're done as they currently look dreadful.

 

[Peter C]

Apologies for being stupid, but what is the difference between a repaint and a refurbishment? I assumed that when the units went for a repaint they would be refurbished? Also, what does a refurb actually consist of?

-Peter

 

[swt_passenger]

Apologies for being stupid, but what is the difference between a repaint and a refurbishment? I assumed that when the units went for a repaint they would be refurbished? Also, what does a refurb actually consist of?

-Peter

Much as people would hope, I doubt if an interior refurbishment can be accurately defined. Other words used include refresh or overhaul. As I see it, the 450 and 444 fleets are receiving increased capacity modifications, ordinarily a refurbished train could end up exactly the same as it started out. What the owner calls the work seems up to them, ie the boundary between refurbishment and structural alterations (such as removal of guard’s offices, repositioning bulkheads for first class, and removing 444 buffets) is blurred.

A full exterior repaint may often coincide with a new operator’s livery, an interior repaint might be part of a refurbishment, and they may or may not take place together. As this thread indicates, the SWR new livery is being intentionally done separately to the interior work.

 

[SWRtrain_fan]

Apologies for being stupid, but what is the difference between a repaint and a refurbishment? I assumed that when the units went for a repaint they would be refurbished? Also, what does a refurb actually consist of?

-Peter

A repaint is when the exterior of a train is given a new coat of paint. A refurbishment is when the interior of a train is improved e.g. by installing new seat covers and carpets. The 159s are currently being repainted and having a semi-refurbishment inside, but the Desiros are having a full interior refurbishment.

 

[Peter C]

A repaint is when the exterior of a train is given a new coat of paint. A refurbishment is when the interior of a train is improved e.g. by installing new seat covers and carpets. The 159s are currently being repainted and having a semi-refurbishment inside.

OK - thanks for clearing that one up.

-Peter

 

[Peter C]

Much as people would hope, I doubt if an interior refurbishment can be accurately defined. Other words used include refresh or overhaul. As I see it, the 450 and 444 fleets are receiving increased capacity modifications, ordinarily a refurbished train could end up exactly the same as it started out. What the owner calls the work seems up to them, ie the boundary between refurbishment and structural alterations (such as removal of guard’s offices, repositioning bulkheads for first class, and removing 444 buffets) is blurred.

A full exterior repaint may often coincide with a new operator’s livery, an interior repaint might be part of a refurbishment, and they may or may not take place together. As this thread indicates, the SWR new livery is being intentionally done separately to the interior work.

OK - thanks very much for clearing that one up.

-Peter

 

[Peter C]

Sorry to be a pain, but is there a list of the current units in SWR livery? Also, is there any talk on if 455s will receive the new livery?

-Peter

 

[SWRtrain_fan]

Sorry to be a pain, but is there a list of the current units in SWR livery? Also, is there any talk on if 455s will receive the new livery?

-Peter

444040, 450111, 158887, 158888, 158890.

159s
001, 002*, 003, 004, 005, 006, 007, 009, 010, 011, 012, 013, 014, 015, 016, 017, 018, 019*.

* = currently being done.

455s will not be re-liveried as they will be replaced with new class 701 trains.

 

[swt_passenger]

Sorry to be a pain, but is there a list of the current units in SWR livery? Also, is there any talk on if 455s will receive the new livery?

-Peter

No 455s, 456s, 458s or 707s are expected to be reliveried as they all get replaced.

 

[Peter C]

444040, 450111, 158887, 158888, 158890

159s
001, 002*, 003, 004, 005, 006, 007, 009, 010, 011, 012, 013, 014, 015, 016, 017, 018, 019*.

* = currently being done.

Thank you very much.

-Peter

 

[Peter C]

No 455s, 456s, 458s or 707s are expected to be reliveried as they all get replaced.

OK. I had a feeling that might have been the case, but I thought it would be a good idea to check.

-Peter

 

[Mills444]

Sorry to be a pain, but is there a list of the current units in SWR livery? Also, is there any talk on if 455s will receive the new livery?

-Peter

No they wont at this rate we will be lucky if the whole future fleet will be repainted!

 

[Peter C]

No they wont at this rate we will be lucky if the whole future fleet will be repainted!

OK - thanks! So is it just 442 delays that are slowing this down? Sorry to be stupid, but surely repainting existing units and bringing new ones into service are completely unrelated?

-Peter

 

[swt_passenger]

OK - thanks! So is it just 442 delays that are slowing this down? Sorry to be stupid, but surely repainting existing units and bringing new ones into service are completely unrelated?

-Peter

It is related because they are trying to run additional services without the expected (or planned) number of 442s. So some services are short formed, and the 450 work has been slowed down.

 

[Peter C]

It is related because they are trying to run additional services without the expected (or planned) number of 442s. So some services are short formed, and the 450 work has been slowed down.

Oh OK - thanks for clearing that one up!

-Peter