SWR Repaints and Refurbishments

[SWRtrain_fan]

So they cant have a new colour applied without being removed then?

Doing it in situ wouldn't be a great idea, because the powder coating might accidentally get onto other parts of the train like the glass or bulkhead.

 

[Goldfish62]

Doing it in situ wouldn't be a great idea, because the powder coating might accidentally get onto other parts of the train like the glass or bulkhead.

Exactly. It's why buses rarely get their handrail colour changed. Remove them and they might not fit back again. Trust me, I know.

 

[Bn2020]

I think the orange handles look fine. While stagecoach chose it because of their corporate colours, but it looks well against the navy seats and light blue walls. To be honest it just looks like any other high contrast pole/handle.

Goes to show how anonymous most corporate branding is. Whatever the marketeers say. All SWR have done is change the carpet and seat coverings.

 

[yorksrob]

I am very impressed with the refurbished 159's. The interior looks very swish - almost new, and the seats are still comfortable. The colour scheme avoids stark, clinical whites and is generally soothing.

Other TOC's (cough Northern) should learn from this.

 

[RealTrains07]

I am very impressed with the refurbished 159's. The interior looks very swish - almost new, and the seats are still comfortable. The colour scheme avoids stark, clinical whites and is generally soothing.

Other TOC's (cough Northern) should learn from this.

Northern aint too bad surely. Unfortunately the same cant be said for the 444/450s as of yet but iam sure if the rails were navy like the 159s then it would look just as swish

 

[yorksrob]

Northern aint too bad surely. Unfortunately the same cant be said for the 444/450s as of yet but iam sure if the rails were navy like the 159s then it would look just as swish

The problem with Northern is that they're getting rid of the seats.

A while back, I was worried about SWR putting in harder cushions to the 159's, but in truth, I needn't have been.

The only thing is, they seem to have gone for flat cloth rather than moquette, which looks fine at the moment, but might cause problems in the future.

Haven't had the pleasure of a refurbished 444/450 yet I'm afraid.

 

[Goldfish62]

The problem with Northern is that they're getting rid of the seats.

A while back, I was worried about SWR putting in harder cushions to the 159's, but in truth, I needn't have been.

The only thing is, they seem to have gone for flat cloth rather than moquette, which looks fine at the moment, but might cause problems in the future.

Haven't had the pleasure of a refurbished 444/450 yet I'm afraid.

I'm not convinced that flat cloth is going to be the issue some think it is. We've had the partial refurbs around for almost 18 months now and the seats look no worse than if they had moquette fitted at the same time. Yes, Northern's flat cloth looks awful due to lack of cleaning, but both Chiltern and TPE use flat cloth, which looks fine. GoAhead's Go South Coast bus division also uses flat cloth and that's arguably a tougher environment than on trains.

 

[yorksrob]

I'm not convinced that flat cloth is going to be the issue some think it is. We've had the partial refurbs around for almost 18 months now and the seats look no worse than if they had moquette fitted at the same time. Yes, Northern's flat cloth looks awful due to lack of cleaning, but both Chiltern and TPE use flat cloth, which looks fine. GoAhead's Go South Coast bus division also uses flat cloth and that's arguably a tougher environment than on trains.

Well, I don't know how long this flat cloth has been in situ, and TPE's still seems ok, so you may be right.

And I do have an emotional attachment to moquette (preferably trojan).

All I can say is that this 159 is lovely at present.

 

[SWRtrain_fan]

Yesterday, I made 2 journeys on a 458, one of them had SWT safety posters and the other had the posters removed. This was also the case the time before that I was on a 458. Are other 458 users noticing more SWT safety posters as well? This is very strange as they all had SWR posters about 2 months ago...

 

[Milo T.K]

What's happening with the re liveries as there still a ton with swt

 

[swt_passenger]

What's happening with the re liveries as there still a ton with swt

The Desiros won’t start until next year, once the interiors are finished.
The 455, 456, 458/5 and 707 won’t get done.
At present only the DMUs are being gradually reliveried.

 

[Dan15812]

So will 040 and 111 have their vinyl removed, then corrosion repair and then have the full repaint?

 

[swt_passenger]

So will 040 and 111 have their vinyl removed, then corrosion repair and then have the full repaint?

That would seem highly likely. Isn’t the final livery less stripey than the original “First day PR” livery anyway, as seen with the 158/159s?

 

[59CosG95]

That would seem highly likely. Isn’t the final livery less stripey than the original “First day PR” livery anyway, as seen with the 158/159s?

Yes, indeed it is.

 

[Goldfish62]

So will 040 and 111 have their vinyl removed, then corrosion repair and then have the full repaint?

This is what SWR have said will happen.

 

[Goldfish62]

Yesterday, I made 2 journeys on a 458, one of them had SWT safety posters and the other had the posters removed. This was also the case the time before that I was on a 458. Are other 458 users noticing more SWT safety posters as well? This is very strange as they all had SWR posters about 2 months ago...

Not noticed this myself, but that's strange. However it's in keeping with the out of date information notices dating from the early 2000s that are still in place on the 458s.

 

[Dan15812]

Anymore refurbished Desiros over the past few days?

 

[SWRtrain_fan]

Anymore refurbished Desiros over the past few days?

I was on 444043 today which was refurbished.

 

[RealTrains07]

Turns out unlike what was previously said the reason why the exterior design was changed from vinyl to paint

It wasnt because of cost of vinyl. It was to do with the time each unit would be out of service. If the original SWR livery was put on each desiro unit. The unit would be out for 3 weeks so by the end of the franchise they wouldn’t even finish the exteriors on the fleet

learnt a bit about the refurbishment at the open event today

 

[RealTrains07]

Something i heard from one of the siemens team at northam was that the first desiro unit to get the mark 3 SWR livery is due to start being worked on in 3 weeks

As confirmed earlier. Most of the exterior re livery work will be done next year

 

[Sprinter156]

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[WVL14]

Almost another two weeks have passed since last update, so for those tracking these things this is whats changed on the Desiro scene
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444s:
444002 (unit 36) in 16-9-19, out 21-9-19
444043 (unit 37) in 21-9-19, out 25-9-19
444023 (unit 38) in 25-9-19, on hand
.
450s:
450004 (unit 81) in 13-9-19, out 17-9-19
450110 (unit 82) in 16-9-19, out 20-9-19
450039 (unit 83) in 17-9-19, out 22-9-19
450077 (unit 84) in 20-9-19, out 25-9-19
450116 (unit 85) in 22-9-19, out 27-9-19
450009 (unit 86) in 26-9-19, on hand
450076 (unit 87) in 27-9-19, on hand
.
Hope that helps with records.
.

 

[Pacerman99]

Hi all, I was on 450115 (which, judging by the smell of it had only recently been refurbished), and noticed it had tinted windows. From the platform you could hardly see into the carriage to see which seats are available! As a regular 450 commuter, I haven't noticed this before at all.
Anyone know how many have been fitted with tints and why?

 

[Goldfish62]

Hi all, I was on 450115 (which, judging by the smell of it had only recently been refurbished), and noticed it had tinted windows. From the platform you could hardly see into the carriage to see which seats are available! As a regular 450 commuter, I haven't noticed this before at all.
Anyone know how many have been fitted with tints and why?

The 450s have always had heavily tinted windows. Are you sure it wasn't just the lighting conditions at the time?

 

[Pacerman99]

I don't think so. It looked more reflective from the inside too, almost like a Voyager.

 

[WVL14]

Hi all, I was on 450115 (which, judging by the smell of it had only recently been refurbished), and noticed it had tinted windows. From the platform you could hardly see into the carriage to see which seats are available! As a regular 450 commuter, I haven't noticed this before at all.
Anyone know how many have been fitted with tints and why?

450115 with the tinted windows was modified at Northam, probably about 5 or 6 weeks ago now. Cannot remember why it was done but it is the only one to be treated so far.
.
That unit was ex refurbishment 6-12-18 (unit 5) so possibility just had been through a heavy clean?

 

[pdeaves]

the mark 3 SWR livery

There are a lot of messages in this thread so I find it difficult to pick out 'external repaint' messages from other repaint/refurbishment ones. Please could someone point me to the right message to find out, or briefly describe, what the different liveries variations are? Thanks!

 

[Dan15812]

Non-refurbished 444s:

017, 018, 023*, 026, 028, 031, 036, and 037(8 units)

The other 37 444s are refurbished. (82% complete)

450s without the relocated First Class:

Units 544-570 and

009*, 014, 021, 022, 026, 028, 029, 030, 035, 071, 074, 076*, 099, 107 and 109 (9 partly-refurbished)(33 non-refurbished)

The other 85 450s are fully refurbished. (67% complete)

*currently being done to fully refurbished state

 

[Goldfish62]

I don't think so. It looked more reflective from the inside too, almost like a Voyager.

Oh right. I stand corrected. Wonder if it's an effort to try to combat hot weather and put less strain on the aircon. Just a thought.

 

[SWRtrain_fan]

Almost another two weeks have passed since last update, so for those tracking these things this is whats changed on the Desiro scene
.
444s:
444002 (unit 36) in 16-9-19, out 21-9-19
444043 (unit 37) in 21-9-19, out 25-9-19
444023 (unit 38) in 25-9-19, on hand
.
450s:
450004 (unit 81) in 13-9-19, out 17-9-19
450110 (unit 82) in 16-9-19, out 20-9-19
450039 (unit 83) in 17-9-19, out 22-9-19
450077 (unit 84) in 20-9-19, out 25-9-19
450116 (unit 85) in 22-9-19, out 27-9-19
450009 (unit 86) in 26-9-19, on hand
450076 (unit 87) in 27-9-19, on hand
.
Hope that helps with records.
.

Thanks, it does indeed help!