SWR Repaints and Refurbishments

[Dr_Intoxicated]

I was on a part refurbished 450 the other day between Waterloo and Feltham. I thought the new seats were much better than the old ones and also the new 700 ones.

 

[Goldfish62]

I was on a part refurbished 450 the other day between Waterloo and Feltham. I thought the new seats were much better than the old ones and also the new 700 ones.

They've been repadded which helps a lot as their original profile has been restored

 

[TEW]

I was on a part refurbished 450 the other day between Waterloo and Feltham. I thought the new seats were much better than the old ones and also the new 700 ones.

The seats aren't actually new, just returned to the state they were in when new. It makes a big difference I agree, they are much more comfortable now. I am not a fan of the repadded, leather seats in First Class though.

 

[Dougal2345]

I'm not so keen... The SWR 450 seat squab felt a little 'ridged' and concave to me... I can't remember now if there were seams in the material? Whereas the SWT one feels like a single smooth convex cushion, and the recently-replaced ones are very comfy. I should point out that I'm very skinny so feel every imperfection

 

[Goldfish62]

I'm not so keen... The SWR 450 seat squab felt a little 'ridged' and concave to me... I can't remember now if there were seams in the material? Whereas the SWT one feels like a single smooth convex cushion, and the recently-replaced ones are very comfy. I should point out that I'm very skinny so feel every imperfection

Personally I find no difference between any of the replaced cushions be they be SWR, SWT or GA (360). Presumably all standard Grammer cushions of the correct profile.

 

[59CosG95]

Update for the livery list that @superalbs is doing a super job on: all the 707s and 456s now have SWR branding over the SWT Suburban Red livery.
159011 has ventured north to Brush for its refurb & repaint; 159008 now carries SWR stickers, along with 159108, 158882, 158885 and 158886.

All 444s (bar 444034) that still have SWT livery now carry SWR branding.
450011 still carries SWT livery (but has SWR logos).
450s 001-024, 026, 029, 030, 032, 038, 039, 545, 550, 554, 560, 562, 567, 570, 073, 088, 091, 096, 103, 104, 106, 108, 118, 120, 123 and 126 now have SWR logos.
455s 5743 through 5749 can be removed entirely.
(455750 was initially numbered 455743, but was renumbered to 5750 after Wimbledon EMU Depot won an award for quality with regard to BS 5750 - a nice bit of trivia).

455/7s:
5701, 5704 to 5719, 5721 to 5723, 5725 to 5742 and 5750 all now have SWR logos.
455/8s:
5847, 5848, 5850, 5852, 5854 to 5862, 5864 to 5866, and 5868 to 5874 all now have SWR logos.

 

[Train Boy]

All 444s (bar 444034) that still have SWT livery now carry SWR branding.

444034 does have the new branding just to confirm, was on it yesterday.

All 158s and 159s carry the new branding too, they've really sped up. As far as I know, there are just a few 450s left with SWT branding and nothing else.

 

[superalbs]

Thanks both, all added!

 

[59CosG95]

Thanks both, all added!

450016 is, I believe, SWR-logoed - you happened to miss that one in a sea of other numbers (so it's highly understandable!)

 

[59CosG95]

450552 can also be added to the list of "SWT liveried, SWR branded" units.

 

[pompeyfan]

I think it’ll be easier to work backwards in regards to 450s carrying SWT names personally.

 

[Goldfish62]

Update for the livery list that @superalbs is doing a super job on: all the 707s and 456s now have SWR branding over the SWT Suburban Red livery.
159011 has ventured north to Brush for its refurb & repaint; 159008 now carries SWR stickers, along with 159108, 158882, 158885 and 158886.

All 444s (bar 444034) that still have SWT livery now carry SWR branding.
450011 still carries SWT livery (but has SWR logos).
450s 001-024, 026, 029, 030, 032, 038, 039, 545, 550, 554, 560, 562, 567, 570, 073, 088, 091, 096, 103, 104, 106, 108, 118, 120, 123 and 126 now have SWR logos.
455s 5743 through 5749 can be removed entirely.
(455750 was initially numbered 455743, but was renumbered to 5750 after Wimbledon EMU Depot won an award for quality with regard to BS 5750 - a nice bit of trivia).

455/7s:
5701, 5704 to 5719, 5721 to 5723, 5725 to 5742 and 5750 all now have SWR logos.
455/8s:
5847, 5848, 5850, 5852, 5854 to 5862, 5864 to 5866, and 5868 to 5874 all now have SWR logos.

All 458s have SWR logos.

 

[59CosG95]

All 458s have SWR logos.

I remember someone else on this thread (maybe even you) had mentioned that before, so I didn't include them in the analysis as a result. Besides, they're already mentioned as being SWR-logoed on the Page 1 list.

 

[Goldfish62]

I remember someone else on this thread (maybe even you) had mentioned that before, so I didn't include them in the analysis as a result. Besides, they're already mentioned as being SWR-logoed on the Page 1 list.

Fair enough.

 

[Train Boy]

159011 has returned today in the new livery. Interior not done.

 

[Goldfish62]

159011 has returned today in the new livery.

I'm seeing SWR-liveried 158/159s on more or less a daily basis now. Bit of an irony given that they will be the last units to receive a full SWR refurb.

 

[amywok]

On an internaly refurbed 450 woking to Wat this morning- new seat coverings are firm but comfortable leatherette head rests a nice feature and won’t discolour too much. Grey and blue stripey carpet should hide the dirt too. Plugs at each bay a welcome feature. All internal signage SWR branded except Wi-fi stickers - still SWT. Overall pleasant and relaxing colour scheme - although that might be because I got a seat!

Externally still in SWR livery with SWR branding.

 

[TEW]

Unfortunately the carpet and seat covers are not hiding the dirt as expected but rather showing it up far worse than in the SWT interior.

 

[387star]

Unfortunately the carpet and seat covers are not hiding the dirt as expected but rather showing it up far worse than in the SWT interior.

Southern has a good carpet

 

[59CosG95]

Got some intel from someone who works in SWR's fleet department that the programme for the 444s/450s is slightly behind schedule, what with the Wimbledon derailment & the side-swipe at Bournemouth Depot.
I was told, on a more positive note, that 444044 is currently having its interior done...

 

[Adsy125]

Got some intel from someone who works in SWR's fleet department that the programme for the 444s/450s is slightly behind schedule, what with the Wimbledon derailment & the side-swipe at Bournemouth Depot.
I was told, on a more positive note, that 444044 is currently having its interior done...

What happened at Bournemouth depot?

 

[59CosG95]

What happened at Bournemouth depot?

I think one unit got a bit too close to another at a set of points - not sure I know which units they were, but the event's understandably dented the timeframe of the refurb programme.

 

[Domh245]

Got some intel from someone who works in SWR's fleet department that the programme for the 444s/450s is slightly behind schedule

You don't need an internal source to figure that out ;P

 

[59CosG95]

You don't need an internal source to figure that out ;P

Indeed not - the fact that it is behind time is common knowledge here! It was more the reasons why the delays were so compounded that I enquired with said internal source.

 

[Domh245]

Indeed not - the fact that it is behind time is common knowledge here! It was more the reasons why the delays were so compounded that I enquired with said internal source.

It'll perhaps account for some of the delay, but the loss of a couple of units completely spannering the program seems a little odd. They've clearly got additional issues given that we've yet to see a fully refurbished unit as well.

 

[59CosG95]

It'll perhaps account for some of the delay, but the loss of a couple of units completely spannering the program seems a little odd. They've clearly got additional issues given that we've yet to see a fully refurbished unit as well.

Very true - the devil is in the detail.

 

[envirommc]

I have a seen a report in RAIL this week by Paul Clifton that says its a procurement delays of materials that is the cause of the problem.This article is in RAIL magazine dated 20th June-3rd July.

 

[Krisj159]

Strangely they haven't done the 1st class on 159014. I've never liked the SWT refurbishment of the 1st class - the old red seats were more comfortable. It's a pity that they don't just put the new moquette on top of the existing seat padding - still perfect after 26 years in the STD class. At least they've thought about us and refurbished the driver's seat. I understand that the charging points are not in place though. Bit confusing with interior colours though - some are grey and others still light blue.

 

[Krisj159]

Arrghhh. Trying to delete duplicate post but it won't let me.

 

[Krisj159]

Edited due to duplication