SWR Strike Action: New dates announced 30/8/19 - 2/9/19

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  1. kristiang85

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    In my experience of previous strikes I found them much more proactive and customer-friendly than many of the usual staff (which many fellow passengers also commented on).
     
  2. pompeyfan

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    The 0615 is running its normal pattern, then there is an 0619 stopper calling all stations. There is no 0645 running from what I can see.

    In the evening there is a 1745 stopper and an 1830 fast service.
     
  3. Bill Badger

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    According to the SWT Website

    • 06:15 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo calling at Portsmouth and Southsea, Fratton, Havant, Petersfield, Haslemere, Guildford, Woking and London Waterloo
    • 06:45 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo calling at Portsmouth and Southsea, Fratton, Havant, Petersfield, Haslemere, Guildford Woking and London Waterloo
    18:05 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour calling at Guildford, Haslemere, Petersfield, Havant, Fratton, Portsmouth and Southsea and Portsmouth Harbour

    They don't list the timings of the intermediate stops so have to estimate based on the standard timetable.
     
  4. pompeyfan

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    https://www.southwesternrailway.com/plan-my-journey/rmt-industrial-action/tuesday-18-june

     
  5. infobleep

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    Edit: others beat me to it, regarding calling pattern.

    So as others have said, it's a case of looking at other days and taking times from that. They may not be exactly the same but they will be near enough right.

    In terms of stock type, I can't help as that's harder to figure out.

    One thing I'm sure of, 442s won't be used.
     
  6. infobleep

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    On my above point, it's worth noting that when there were engineering works on Sunday, there were no buses between Guildford and Epsom, just one train an hour via Cobham, with one bus an hour running from Effingham Junction.

    I assume the reason for that is that the bus would get overtaken by the train running 30 minutes later. As that is the case, you'd think they wouldn't run buses on Tuesday to Saturday, given the Southern train would overtake them, just as the Cobham train would overtake the via Epsom trains yesterday.
     
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    A paltry 1tph from Ashford this morning. What is the process regarding delay repay, can I claim against the usual timetable as I purchased my season ticket before these strikes were announced?
     
  8. maxbarnish

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    SWR are saying no - but a lot of people unhappy with it, and people on a different thread advised me that it should be vs the timetable when tickets bought. On Twitter, someone has called on the Ombudsman to be 'proactive' and prevent 'thousands' of people having to 'raise and deadlock' complaints. Not sure how realistic that is - but there's certainly a strong case for you to complain,. although if SWR hold out, it may need to go to Ombudsman
     
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    It's 2tph. The half hourly Windsor services call there.
     
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    Interesting - thanks. Looks like the train I am actually on will be late enough to claim anyway.

    Only after the morning peak. I had the option of a train at 07.06 or 08.06 to Waterloo and nothing in-between.
     
  11. infobleep

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    Interestingly they have been able to confirm all the additional morning and evening peak services from today to Friday and they have been able to list the services in time order on their Web Site.
    https://www.southwesternrailway.com/~/link.aspx?_id=03fe22914601439782e3b1ad6951cad9&_z=z

    How far in advance do they work out the staff rosters?

    The Web Site is understandably a bit slower today. Also some times are running with delays. Is this due to such few trains running. I imagine so but I'd also have thought people might work from home.

    I notice there are two non stop evening trains from Waterloo to Guildford, which skip Woking but nothing in the morning that skips Woking. There is a non stop Woking to Surbtion train in the morning but no non stop Surbtion to Woking train in the evening.

    Woking to Surbtion is at 8am, which is a nice bonus for those going to Surbtion in the morning peak.

    Thosw going from Woking to Clapham Junction in the morning have a plethora of services, some of which are fast non-stop.

    There are 7 between 7 and 8 and 6 between 8 and 9.

    Normally there is 1 between 7 and 8 and 3 between 8.30 and 9. So a nice silver lining.
     
  12. Xenophon PCDGS

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    Apologies in case I missed it, but what was the last RMT press release concerning this matter?
     
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    Despite only running a fraction of their usual services and hundreds of carriages sat in various depots I notice SWR are still running 8.455 on a Reading circuit today. :'(
     
  14. infobleep

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    No wonder the trains are rammed if they can't use 10 car trains.

    This has happened before though so there must be some good reason for it as surely they would want to run as many carriages as possible.
     
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    Here's the latest one: https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-members-rock-solid-in-strike-action-again-this-morning/

     
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    Full-on crush loading inbound from Surbs this morning. The sort where you can't put both feet on the floor and you can smell what half the carriage had for dinner last night. Good luck to anyone suffering on SWR this evening.
     
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    I'm on a short 9:07 from Guildford to Surbtion. Not sure yet how many carriages but it's not 10. It may possibly be just 4! I'm not exaggerating. Slight possbility it might be 6 though. Nope. Just looked out at London Road. It's just the 4!

    Now that would have been cosy earlier today. No it wouldn't be as this train is only just entering service. Let's hope earlier they ran 10 car versions of this.

    Anyone care to guess why this train needs to be 4 carriages long? I know it terminates at Surbtion but I wouldn't have thought that would be an issue.

    If no attachment takes place then by my reckoning the 17:50 Surbiton to Guildford will be 4 carriages.
     
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    Also worth noting this:
    https://www.journeycheck.com/swr/?
    Note the PDF timetables don't include the additional peak time services so you need to read the additional peak time services section in conjunction with the PDF timetables, if the journey planning is not to be trusted.

    Another solution is to use the journey planner and then check if the services are listed in the PDF or the additional services section.

    Hopefully the errors will be corrected today, in advance of tomorrow to Friday.
     
  19. pompeyfan

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    It appears some people have successfully claimed a 50% daily pro-rata refund using S75 rules from their credit card provider. Initially the card provider declined, but the customer took them to the financial ombudsman where it was ruled they had to pay a refund of 50% for the days affected plus 8% interest.
     
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    I see the 15:08 Portsmouth to Waterloo and 17;05 Waterloo to Portsmouth are recorded on National Rail Enquiries as being cancelled due to lack of train drivers.

    Do they schedule less drivers to work on days like this and give the reminder additional time off, given less trains are running?
     
  22. Bigfoot

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    No, however some drivers are in the rmt and they may choose to not come to work. Also some aslef drivers will not cross any picket line, therefore the company can only hope drivers will come in as there is no obligation to inform the company you are not attending work due to strike action.
     
  23. infobleep

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    The 18:50 Surbtion to Guildford is also just 4 carriages. This entered service as the 8:07 by my calculations.

    So that's 2 diagrams with only 8 carriages.

    There must be some reason for this. The train isn't rammed tonight but I don't know what the 17:50 would have been like, which also would have been a 4 carriage service.

    Are any 707s running today?

    I'd like to ask SWR help on Twitter but I feel they have more important things to deal with.

    Actually my train has been delayed a lot of people are getting on. They have delayed the train so that people off the train to Woking could join.

    An hour before there was no report but the train did leave Hinchley Wood on time. This suggests they didn't make it wait. Edit: it did wait. The 5riwn left Hinchley Wood two minutes late. So today at least they are holding trains for connections. That's another silver lining for passengers who value such things.

    There are now people standing on this train. They wouldn't be standing if it had more than 4 carriages. Note this train would usually have 10, so it's a reduction in 6, never mind the less services running.
     
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    Definitely some 707's running today, at least on the Windsor side.
     
  25. infobleep

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    I thought sympathic striking wasn't allowed. Would this be people suddenly being off sick?
     
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    If no 707s had been running I thought have said that was why the 455s were fewer in number.

    Maybe there isn't enough contingency guards who sign 707s. I'm only singling them out as they are newer rolling stock. It just seems very odd that 455s are running from Guilford. It stables multiple 455s/456s of lengths longer than 4 carriages.

    I will look to see if any are left in the sidings.
     
  27. Carlisle

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    it’s illegal for unions themselves to organise sympathy strikes but individual workers can’t legally be dismissed for simply refusing to cross another unions picket lines, as this 2017 Irish Rail disruption proves
    https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-rail-delays-2-3304026-Mar2017/?amp=1
     
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    RMT drivers are part of the ballot too, and there is no official way for the company to know if drivers are in a union, and which one.
     
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    Good point

    For those interested, here are two photos of a load of 455s and 456s in sidings at Guildford this evening. The services between Guildford to Surbtion are running with just 4 carriages, whilst carriages just lie in the sidings. I think they have saved money and helped the environment by turning off the lights inside at least.

    The Guildford to Surbtion trains are using platform 1 at Surbtion. Is thre an issue with trains containing more than 4 carriages going from platform 1 to the down slow line?
    20190618_193315.jpg ! 20190618_193319.jpg
     
  30. infobleep

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    https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/su...r.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

    What do people think of the idea of passengers meeting both sides as part of talks? After all it's for benefit passengers that the services are run. Without passengers there would be no trains. I don't see why not, even if I don't agree everything SWR Watch say.
     

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