TfW Class 67+Mk4 sets: trip planning/experiences, diagram updates etc

[sd0733]

that wasnt my post you quoted!

But yes I agree with you as i found out myself a few weeks ago when i mistakenly thought it was a MK4!

No it wasnt! Sorry Not sure what happened there! I'll try and change it.

 

[Jez]

No it wasnt! Sorry Not sure what happened there! I'll try and change it.

its no problem!

 

[Anonymous10]

It's booked a 2 car 197. The only time it is ever actually booked a Mk4 is when there's amended diagrams/timetables on event days things may be slightly different but in normal working it's not.

However it is showing as skipping all the request stops which is unusual so even if a unit something event related?

 

[sd0733]

However it is showing as skipping all the request stops which is unusual so even if a unit something event related?

I think we're talking at cross purposes here!
The post you quoted was the 0853 Cardiff-Manchester so I was on about that.

The other one, on the 22nd I've not seen anything official but with the amended stopping pattern and event day it does look highly likely that a Mk4 is being proposed to run that.

 

[37052 xb mr]

Looks to be planned mk4 as the calling pattern is different too.

no it’s a 197

 

[BillStampy]

The other one, on the 22nd I've not seen anything official but with the amended stopping pattern and event day it does look highly likely that a Mk4 is being proposed to run that.

I've heard talks that this one is confirmed with another date for this sort of thing mentioned somewhere. It may of course change at short notice of course!

 

[aar0]

It’s booked to be a 197

I thought the 0853 from Cardiff was a mk4, at least it was for all of 2024?

 

[37052 xb mr]

I thought the 0853 from Cardiff was a mk4, at least it was for all of 2024?

It’s booked a 67 & set, Monday - Friday only,
On a Saturday it’s booked a unit
As it was at the end of last year as well.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

On Sat Feb 22, it appears from RTT that it's 1V92 (0629 Holyhead-Cardiff) which is down for a Mk4 set.
It then comes back from Cardiff as 1W96 at 1723 on a slightly different schedule to Mon-Fri.
1415 kick off in Cardiff, for the wooden spoon.

Realtime Trains | 1V92 0629 Holyhead to Cardiff Central | 22/02/2025

Real-time train running information for 1V92 0629 departure from Holyhead to Cardiff Central on 22/02/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[BillStampy]

On Sat Feb 22, it appears from RTT that it's 1V92 (0629 Holyhead-Cardiff) which is down for a Mk4 set.
It then comes back from Cardiff as 1W96 at 1723 on a slightly different schedule to Mon-Fri.
1415 kick off in Cardiff, for the wooden spoon.

Realtime Trains | 1V92 0629 Holyhead to Cardiff Central | 22/02/2025

Real-time train running information for 1V92 0629 departure from Holyhead to Cardiff Central on 22/02/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

This is what I have pointed out, it matches up with the match times quite well!

 

[Jez]

It’s booked a 67 & set, Monday - Friday only,
On a Saturday it’s booked a unit
As it was at the end of year as well.

I think that is where the confusion has happened. Different diagrams on a Saturday to a Weekday due to there being 1 less diagram on Saturdays.

 

[Jez]

Regarding the Seatfrog upgrade to first class, ive downloaded the app and looked for upgrades on the day im travelling and nothing on there yet, however ive checked on another date for this coming week and there are upgrades for £10 Cardiff to Manchester.

So is it just a case of wait until just before and then they become available? Also as my journey is actually Neath to Manchester on an advance ticket changing at Cardiff for the MK4 will it accept the upgrade when i enter my booking reference as the system will know there isnt any first class on that particular service from Neath to Cardiff?

Also if for some reason it isnt a MK4 is it easy to get a refund if booked via Seatfrog? Any advice please?

 

[37052 xb mr]

How I have things
Please update if necessary, Thanks

Sunday 9th Feb

Set 1 67017 Holyhead
Set 2 67020 Crewe
Set 3 67022 Cardiff - Cardiff diagram
Set 4 67029 Cardiff
Set 5 Exam Crewe
Set 6 67016 Crewe - Crewe diagram
Set 7 Exam Crewe

67008 Crewe EMD Repair
67010 Crewe EMD Repair
67012 Crewe EMD Repair
67013 Crewe ATC ??
67014 Crewe EMD Repair
67015 Crewe EMD Exam
67025 Crewe ATC ?? test run Saturday

 

[sd0733]

Regarding the Seatfrog upgrade to first class, ive downloaded the app and looked for upgrades on the day im travelling and nothing on there yet, however ive checked on another date for this coming week and there are upgrades for £10 Cardiff to Manchester.

So is it just a case of wait until just before and then they become available? Also as my journey is actually Neath to Manchester on an advance ticket changing at Cardiff for the MK4 will it accept the upgrade when i enter my booking reference as the system will know there isnt any first class on that particular service from Neath to Cardiff?

Also if for some reason it isnt a MK4 is it easy to get a refund if booked via Seatfrog? Any advice please?

AFAIK with Seatfrog you would Just bid on the Cardiff-Manchester bit and ignore the other, it says you can buy an upgrade before you have bought the actual ticket so that wouldn't seem a blocker.

Refunds look quite easy and are able to just go through the app theres a request refund section. Anything not Mk4 planned will have the upgrade option withdrawn.

 

[Jez]

AFAIK with Seatfrog you would Just bid on the Cardiff-Manchester bit and ignore the other, it says you can buy an upgrade before you have bought the actual ticket so that wouldn't seem a blocker.

Refunds look quite easy and are able to just go through the app theres a request refund section. Anything not Mk4 planned will have the upgrade option withdrawn.

Thank you for the information. My journey is 0853 on 19th February so hopefully by the start of next week will have a better idea.

 

[sd0733]

How I have things
Please update if necessary, Thanks

Sunday 9th Feb

Set 1 67017 Holyhead
Set 2 67020 Crewe
Set 3 67022 Cardiff - Cardiff diagram
Set 4 67029 Cardiff
Set 5 Exam Crewe
Set 6 67016 Crewe - Crewe diagram
Set 7 Exam Crewe

67008 Crewe EMD Repair
67010 Crewe EMD Repair
67012 Crewe EMD Repair
67013 Crewe ATC ??
67014 Crewe EMD Repair
67015 Crewe EMD Exam
67025 Crewe ATC ?? test run Saturday

Mostly correct only changes look to be:

67013 is now on HD07, 67025 is also planned to go onto HD07 and all of it heads over to the ETD tomorrow for tyre turning on the rake.

Locoless HD05 is now on B exam so the HD01/02/03/04/06 will hold the fort on the 5 diagrams for now, HD01 is the only set to stop for exam this week but that is by Friday so can run all week.

 

[37052 xb mr]

Mostly correct only changes look to be:

67013 is now on HD07, 67025 is also planned to go onto HD07 and all of it heads over to the ETD tomorrow for tyre turning on the rake.

Locoless HD05 is now on B exam so the HD01/02/03/04/06 will hold the fort on the 5 diagrams for now, HD01 is the only set to stop for exam this week but that is by Friday so can run all week.

Sorry
Is that right with set 7 mentioned twice ?
Thanks

 

[sd0733]

Sorry
Is that right with set 7 mentioned twice ?
Thanks

Badly worded but yes 67013+025 both on HD07 over from Crewe ATC to ETD tomorrow.

 

[sd0733]

This is what I have pointed out, it matches up with the match times quite well!

Found it and is definitely planned for a 67. Same set just out and back with a few hours on Canton.

 

[aar0]

It’s booked a 67 & set, Monday - Friday only,
On a Saturday it’s booked a unit
As it was at the end of last year as well.

Ah of course - hadn’t clocked it was the weekend!

 

[37052 xb mr]

Badly worded but yes 67013+025 both on HD07 over from Crewe ATC to ETD tomorrow.

Thank you

 

[37052 xb mr]

1W11 - 197042
Issue with 67029 set 4 ?

 

[FrodshamJnct]

1W11 - 197042
Issue with 67029 set 4 ?

Yes looks like it. Plan today is:

Monday 10th February
—————————————————————————
D1 - 67017 Set HD01 (Loco CDF end)

1V91 05.27 Holyhead - Cardiff 09.57
1W57 10.53 Cardiff - Manchester 14.13
1V46 14.30 Manchester - Cardiff 17.44
1W65 18.53 Cardiff - Manchester 22.24

*Set Turns Via WBQ*
(5K65 ECS 22.30 MAN - CRE 23.41)

—————————————————————————
D2 - *UNIT* 197042*

1W11 04.33 Cardiff - Manchester 08.13
1V37 08.30 Manchester - Cardiff 11.38
1W59 12.53 Cardiff - Manchester 16.13
1V50 16.30 Manchester - Cardiff 19.44

—————————————————————————
D3 - 67022 Set HD03 (Loco MAN end)

1W13 06.46 Cardiff - Manchester 10.13
1V39 10.30 Manchester - Cardiff 13.49
1W96 17.22 Cardiff - Holyhead 22.06

—————————————————————————
D4 - 67020 Set HD02 (Loco CDF end)

1V31 05.13 Crewe - Cardiff 07.50
1W55 08.53 Cardiff - Manchester 12.13
1V42 12.30 Manchester - Cardiff 15.43
1W63 16.53 Cardiff - Manchester 20.16

(5K70 ECS 20.24 MAN - CRE CS 21.09)

—————————————————————————
D5 - 67016 Set HD06 (Loco CDF end)

*Set Turns Via WBQ*
(5V33 ECS 05.12 CRE CS - MAN 06.23)

1V33 06.27 Manchester - Cardiff 09.47
1W61 14.50 Cardiff - Manchester 18.13
1V62 18.30 Manchester - Cardiff 21.52

 

[Topological]

197042 on the 16:30 from Manchester will be cosy

It is a shame that it is that diagram that has ended up substituted (20-9)

 

[sd0733]

It is a shame that it is that diagram that has ended up substituted (20-9)

Same diagram will be substituted tomorrow due to issues with HD04, it's not expected back until Wednesday afternoon.

 

[37052 xb mr]

197042 on the 16:30 from Manchester will be cosy

It is a shame that it is that diagram that has ended up substituted (20-9)

Now upgraded to a 3 car !

 

[Jez]

197042 on the 16:30 from Manchester will be cosy

It is a shame that it is that diagram that has ended up substituted (20-9)

Its also a shame that the 1630 has been curtailed to now end in Cardiff due to (apparently) Canton not being able to take 2 terminating MK4's at the same time? Why not run the ECS back from Swansea a bit later. We waited so long for 1 MK4 in each direction from Swansea and now the morning service has been fairly reliable we have lost the return evening service.

 

[aar0]

Its also a shame that the 1630 has been curtailed to now end in Cardiff due to (apparently) Canton not being able to take 2 terminating MK4's at the same time? Why not run the ECS back from Swansea a bit later. We waited so long for 1 MK4 in each direction from Swansea and now the morning service has been fairly reliable we have lost the return evening service.

I strongly agree. Maybe it could form the morning service from Swansea?

 

[Topological]

Its also a shame that the 1630 has been curtailed to now end in Cardiff due to (apparently) Canton not being able to take 2 terminating MK4's at the same time? Why not run the ECS back from Swansea a bit later. We waited so long for 1 MK4 in each direction from Swansea and now the morning service has been fairly reliable we have lost the return evening service.

Quite

Though presumably running later means that the driver would be over hours.

At least we get the 17:30 from Manchester as partial compensation (I say partial because it is often short-formed and only seems to be booked as a 2-car from Cardiff)

 

[Jez]

I strongly agree. Maybe it could form the morning service from Swansea?

Ive a feeling it wouldnt be possible to stable overnight at Swansea. Im sure someone in the know would be able to explain the reasons but im guessing the set needs to be prepared at Canton is one of the reasons. But it would be a good idea if it was possible.