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TfW Class 67+Mk4 sets: trip planning/experiences, diagram updates etc

Jez

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Though presumably running later means that the driver would be over hours.

At least we get the 17:30 from Manchester as partial compensation (I say partial because it is often short-formed and only seems to be booked as a 2-car from Cardiff)
Yes its good having the 1730 running to Swansea. It also partly makes up for the 1830, which for years went to Carmarthen and was one I often used back in the day, now being terminated at Cardiff.

Yes it looks like this one splits at Cardiff not Swansea however its likely due to sets being in the correct place for the following day.

Also this morning it looks like the 05xx from Swansea was a separate service as far as Cardiff and ran as a pair of 153s!
 
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Yes its good having the 1730 running to Swansea. It also partly makes up for the 1830, which for years went to Carmarthen and was one I often used back in the day, now being terminated at Cardiff.

Yes it looks like this one splits at Cardiff not Swansea however its likely due to sets being in the correct place for the following day.
As long as GWR are in their slots there are not too many people getting onto the 2-car in Cardiff.

However, GWR being in their slots is always an open question. If the 2-car was ever just in front of an IET I would be cursing the conditions of advance tickets pinning me to the TfW.

It used to be the 19:30 that went over the district line? Or was that just Fridays? Another one that now stays in Cardiff.
 

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Ive a feeling it wouldnt be possible to stable overnight at Swansea. Im sure someone in the know would be able to explain the reasons but im guessing the set needs to be prepared at Canton is one of the reasons. But it would be a good idea if it was possible.
Would be good if they could just stick it in Landore. There is presumably still fuel available. I would think a taxi for the crew would be cheaper than running the ECS.
 

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Would be good if they could just stick it in Landore. There is presumably still fuel available. I would think a taxi for the crew would be cheaper than running the ECS.
In an ideal world this would be how it'd work, but I believe there is some issues with it, especially since TfW don't actually own the depot!
 

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As long as GWR are in their slots there are not too many people getting onto the 2-car in Cardiff.

However, GWR being in their slots is always an open question. If the 2-car was ever just in front of an IET I would be cursing the conditions of advance tickets pinning me to the TfW.

It used to be the 19:30 that went over the district line? Or was that just Fridays? Another one that now stays in Cardiff.
It was the 1830 that went over the district line Monday to Thursday and then went via Swansea on Friday and Saturday. The 1930 did extend to Carmarrhen for a long while and even to Fishguard briefly as part of the overnight service.

So we lost the 1830 and 1930 going West of Cardiff and gained the 1730 which always terminated in Cardiff with a separate service further West.
 

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Would be good if they could just stick it in Landore. There is presumably still fuel available. I would think a taxi for the crew would be cheaper than running the ECS.
The train crew could even use the next service going to Cardiff to get back to base. But I've a feeling there are reasons it can't stay in Swansea. I think the set that does the following mornings journey is the other set that ends at Canton. You would think they could stable it in sidings in Cardiff and a free driver could then move it onto the depot later on it there is an issue taking 2 sets at the same time.
 

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The train crew could even use the next service going to Cardiff to get back to base. But I've a feeling there are reasons it can't stay in Swansea. I think the set that does the following mornings journey is the other set that ends at Canton. You would think they could stable it in sidings in Cardiff and a free driver could then move it onto the depot later on it there is an issue taking 2 sets at the same time.
Once again, the gap between the two arrivals is larger than V91/V33 arriving, I don't understand the issue when both arrive further apart in the evening than the morning two...
 

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Once again, the gap between the two arrivals is larger than V91/V33 arriving, I don't understand the issue when both arrive further apart in the evening than the morning two...
Hopefully it is something that can be resolved otherwise they might as well forget the Swansea idea if they cant do a service in each direction. Aside from weekends when it appears they can operate it. How do they manage on a Saturday evening? Arent both the 1630 Swansea and 1830 Cardiff booked for a MK4?

A simple solution could be to extend the 1830 to Swansea also and then it could run ECS back to Canton later!

It looks like the ECS is going via the VOG this week so that is why the 0543 from Swansea is a unit.
 
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Hopefully it is something that can be resolved otherwise they might as well forget the Swansea idea if they cant do a service in each direction. Aside from weekends when it appears they can operate it. How do they manage on a Saturday evening? Arent both the 1630 Swansea and 1830 Cardiff booked for a MK4?

A simple solution could be to extend the 1830 to Swansea also and then it could run ECS back to Canton later!

It looks like the ECS is going via the VOG this week so that is why the 0543 from Swansea is a unit.
My understanding is that 1W13 is starting from Cardiff this week?

RTT suggests that it is and when I booked for tomorrow I had to get the GWR to Cardiff and then Cardiff to Manchester as a separate ticket. Means an earlier start tomorrow.

I'll be glad when I can go back to using 1W12 from Pontypool. Then the 1830 would get me home.

There is almost a feeling TfW do not want to have a service both ways between Cardiff and Swansea operating as a Mk4. (Obviously this is tongue-in-cheek)
 

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My understanding is that 1W13 is starting from Cardiff this week?
Yes correct. Its a separate service between Swansea and Cardiff operated by a unit (today a pair of 153s) as the ECS movement to Swansea is via VOG. and then the MK4 starts with a fresh service in Cardiff.

Assume its due to overnight engineering works why the ECS goes via the Vale of Glamorgan. It happens quite often but didnt matter so much when it was a 197 as they are cleared for the Vale of Glamorgan. However this is another reason why the Swansea MK4 services seem problematic!
 

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Something’s happened with 1V91 left HD with 197117, and only running to Llandudno Junction.
 

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Something’s happened with 1V91 left HD with 197117, and only running to Llandudno Junction.
High engine oil pressure on 67022. That 197 i believe usually runs empty so has simply run in service to Llandudno Jcn instead.

67017 at Crewe has had the fire bottles discharged so that's not made it out either.
 

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Yes correct. Its a separate service between Swansea and Cardiff operated by a unit (today a pair of 153s) as the ECS movement to Swansea is via VOG. and then the MK4 starts with a fresh service in Cardiff.

Assume its due to overnight engineering works why the ECS goes via the Vale of Glamorgan. It happens quite often but didnt matter so much when it was a 197 as they are cleared for the Vale of Glamorgan. However this is another reason why the Swansea MK4 services seem problematic!

Was 197102 in the end, so not as bad it could be. Ended up on 1B13 instead of the GWR. I actually like pairs of 153s compared to 150s, but they really shouldn't still be going out now.

Got tight for the connection at Cardiff in the end because they let the ECS for 1W13 go from Canton ahead of the arrival of 1B13 and then there was a long wait before 1B13 made it into platform 2. Thankfully just cross-platform and on 1W13.

I hadn't realised how loud the 67s are as normally the Wales end is the carriage next to the DVT. However, today the engine is at the Wales end so I am near that. Very loud going through Newport tunnels to the point of overpowering my noise-cancelling headphones. I get some people like to hear the engine, but I can see why people might not be happy about that much noise.
 

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So all fell apart this morning
67022 failed at Holyhead
67017 failed at Crewe
67029 set 4 out of use at Canton

Just 2 Sets out

1W13 67016 set 6
1V31 67020 set 2
 
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High engine oil pressure on 67022. That 197 i believe usually runs empty so has simply run in service to Llandudno Jcn instead.

67017 at Crewe has had the fire bottles discharged so that's not made it out either.
Is 1W96 still hauled this evening or will 016 work 1W61 to balance do we know? TIA
 

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Was 197102 in the end, so not as bad it could be. Ended up on 1B13 instead of the GWR. I actually like pairs of 153s compared to 150s, but they really shouldn't still be going out now.

Got tight for the connection at Cardiff in the end because they let the ECS for 1W13 go from Canton ahead of the arrival of 1B13 and then there was a long wait before 1B13 made it into platform 2. Thankfully just cross-platform and on 1W13.

I hadn't realised how loud the 67s are as normally the Wales end is the carriage next to the DVT. However, today the engine is at the Wales end so I am near that. Very loud going through Newport tunnels to the point of overpowering my noise-cancelling headphones. I get some people like to hear the engine, but I can see why people might not be happy about that much noise.
The early Swansea to Cardiff 'substituting service' was a 3 car 197 this morning. The pair of 153s was likely the only thing free at Canton on Monday morning although at that hour of the morning probably not a huge issue to use a pair of 153s. I can't jmagine it being busy. Especially with so many GWR services around it.

I don't think I have sat in the carriage right next to the engine. I tend to sit in the middle of the train if using standard class. Will have to try it next time.
 

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Very frustrating. Everytime I try and catch these they are replaced by 197s, damn things. I see only two diagrams out of 5 out today.

Will either 1W61 14.50 Cardiff to Man Picc, or 1W63 16.53 Cardiff to Man Picc be 67+mk4s today?
Thanks
 

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