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TfW to operate Class 37s on the Rhymney Line

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37025 can not work the trains as it not ETS fitted. Probably find one of them will have to be unit worked on Monday
 
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MatthewRead said:
It's odd because the latest issue of RAIL said that the Mark 2's have a derogation until 30th June 2020.
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Just because they have a derrogation it doesn’t mean it has to be used.

XC slam door HSTs had a derrogation, that wasn’t used....
 
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Dispensation, not derogation. They do actually have different meanings; a derogation would be more long-term.
 
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craigybagel said:
I should think that even a 4 car set of all 153s would still match the timings of a 37. Whilst they may be sluggish, the 37s hardly set the world on fire either, and dispatch should be slightly quicker on a train with actual power doors, rather then doors powered by big burly security folk.
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Return trip running this morning from Canton to Rhymney and return to prove 153s clear as they haven't actually worked over the long period of time since they were cleared in the early 2000 s. Formation is 153333 and 150252
 
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Failed Friday night loco 37421 has run down with the Mark IIs from Rhymney to Canton today Top & Tail with 37025
 
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tomwills98 said:
37418 has failed at Lisvane, lost all of its coolant and everything's on stop.
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ECS now en route to Canton after 37025 ran out as a 1Z99 from Canton to assist. Fortunately it was at the Cardiff end as it had been at Rhymney for a spell until Sunday.
 
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TfW must be desperate to get rid of these 37s now
They can't get those extra 153s into service fast enough
 
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Late running pair of 150's at Aber this morning replacing the sick 37. Guess as these ran up last night they stayed there for the morning service down (logical) IMG_20200123_083114.jpg
 
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matt said:
Word is that the 37s are finishing within a few weeks.
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Supposedly being replaced by 153s at the beginning of February. As mentioned in another thread, the imported units have a two hour driving limit so they are no use on most main line diagrams. I don't know whether the ex EMR units are the same.
 
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Bikeman78 said:
Supposedly being replaced by 153s at the beginning of February. As mentioned in another thread, the imported units have a two hour driving limit so they are no use on most main line diagrams. I don't know whether the ex EMR units are the same.
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That's a first for me - 2-hour driving limit. Does that mean that drivers can't spend more than 2 hours on it or is that the engines have to be turned off for a short while every 2 hours?
 
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Mitchell Hurd said:
That's a first for me - 2-hour driving limit. Does that mean that drivers can't spend more than 2 hours on it or is that the engines have to be turned off for a short while every 2 hours?
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It's to do with the unions objecting to drivers spending more than 2 hours driving them
 
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glenbogle said:
They do longer than that on the Heart Of Wales line - is it a different style of driving seat on them ?
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It's something to do with the cabs in the recently imported 153s not being up to the same standard as the ex-ATW 153s
 
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They do longer than that on the Heart Of Wales line - is it a different style of driving seat on them ?
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All original TFW ones and some of the ex GWR ones (having been modified) are OK. Drivers do not work the whole length of the HOWL as they change over with a train in he opposite direction. Unmodified ones have been kept off HOWL workings.
This issue has nothing to do with Rhymney 153s as the journey time is only just over an hour
 
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PHILIPE said:
All original TFW ones and some of the ex GWR ones (having been modified) are OK. Drivers do not work the whole length of the HOWL as they change over with a train in he opposite direction. Unmodified ones have been kept off HOWL workings.
This issue has nothing to do with Rhymney 153s as the journey time is only just over an hour
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Thanks for the explanation.
 
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PHILIPE said:
All original TFW ones and some of the ex GWR ones (having been modified) are OK. Drivers do not work the whole length of the HOWL as they change over with a train in he opposite direction. Unmodified ones have been kept off HOWL workings.
This issue has nothing to do with Rhymney 153s as the journey time is only just over an hour
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It becomes an issue if the driver works the return trip immediately on a unit with the same cab problems. If the unit is working solo, or attached to a formation where at the end is another similarly afflicted unit, it can effectively only work 1 hour long journeys if the same driver works the return trip. In the case of the HOWL, one unit on there would be fine, but if both units were unmodified then you would run into problems as when the units cross the drivers would need a break before they could work the return services.

The Rhymney loco diagrams are fine to be worked with unmodified units as they're only a single 1 hour trip and a little bit of ECS working at a time, but they wouldn't be able to work by themselves on the all day diagrams where it's common for the same driver to be bouncing up and down between Rhymney/Bargoed and Penarth for several hours at a time.
 
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It becomes an issue if the driver works the return trip immediately on a unit with the same cab problems. If the unit is working solo, or attached to a formation where at the end is another similarly afflicted unit, it can effectively only work 1 hour long journeys if the same driver works the return trip. In the case of the HOWL, one unit on there would be fine, but if both units were unmodified then you would run into problems as when the units cross the drivers would need a break before they could work the return services.

The Rhymney loco diagrams are fine to be worked with unmodified units as they're only a single 1 hour trip and a little bit of ECS working at a time, but they wouldn't be able to work by themselves on the all day diagrams where it's common for the same driver to be bouncing up and down between Rhymney/Bargoed and Penarth for several hours at a time.
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Excellent explanation - thanks for all replies, I’m down in Wales from Scotland last week in February/early March so looks like the 37s will be away when I’m in the south which is a pity, I’ll get the WAG to the north, only £66 first class to Holyhead is superb value,and do some hillwalking and a couple of rides of the Hhd loco stock. Cheers.
 
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