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TfW withdrawals (170/175 all gone, now just class 15x to go)

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I see a 158 was working in the South yesterday on a Cardiff-Pembroke Dock diagram.

These are becoming very rare now in the South. I would like to ride a 158 one last time before they disappear. If it wasnt for the Rugby yesterday I might have gone for it!

I see its on Ebbw Vale today.
 
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Jez said:
I see a 158 was working in the South yesterday on a Cardiff-Pembroke Dock diagram.

These are becoming very rare now in the South. I would like to ride a 158 one last time before they disappear. If it wasnt for the Rugby yesterday I might have gone for it!

I see its on Ebbw Vale today.
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They will of course remain for the time being on GWR services between Cardiff and Portsmouth.
 
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sd0733 said:
Allocated to 153913 and 153910.
Of the /9s being stood down that'll be all bar 935 at Landore.
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I've noticed that recently when there's been a shortage of 150s they seem to just be cancelling trains on the Coryton line rather than putting 153s on instead.
 
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when passing Canton today I noticed a 158 was in the sidings but unfortunately I didnt see the number, was too far away. I havent noticed any 158s out and about on the network today however so not sure if it was down in Cardiff for maintenance.
 
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Jez said:
when passing Canton today I noticed a 158 was in the sidings but unfortunately I didnt see the number, was too far away. I havent noticed any 158s out and about on the network today however so not sure if it was down in Cardiff for maintenance.
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Realtime Trains | 2I39 2312 Cardiff Central to Newport (South Wales) | 22/03/2025

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158837 allocated on RTT to work 2I39 and back to Canton, might be that.
 
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Realtime Trains | 2I39 2312 Cardiff Central to Newport (South Wales) | 22/03/2025

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158837 allocated on RTT to work 2I39 and back to Canton, might be that.
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158837 is coming down from Shrewsbury. Could be 818, 827, 833, 836, 839 at Canton.
 
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The Cambrian line is closed for engineering for some time so likely maintenance is being done at Canton.
 
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The Cambrian line is closed for engineering for some time so likely maintenance is being done at Canton.
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The last services on the Marches are temporary booked with a 158 tagged on your get them to/from Canton.
The 23:17 from Shrewsbury has a 158 added there for the run to Cardiff and the 22:10 Cardiff to Crewe is also booked one at the moment.
There's also a maintenance diagram so it looks as if on paper the plan is to get it to Canton on day 1, maintenance day 2 then works back to Crewe on day 3.
 
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I saw a 150 passing Neath this morning on the 0535 Cardiff to Milford, which is rare now. I checked RTT to see what it was and weirdly it said it was a 158 at the time even though it had departed Cardiff nearly 1 hour before! But its updated now to a 150.

Obviously there has been a set swap part way through its return working 0900 Milford-Manchester (the swap took place at Cardiff to a 4 car 197) with the 150 then returning to Milford on the next service.

There are still lots of last minute swaps but very rare to see Sprinters covering now.
 
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I checked RTT to see what it was and weirdly it said it was a 158 at the time even though it had departed Cardiff nearly 1 hour before!
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Saw a 158 about 10 minutes ago at Llanharan working it's way back to Cardiff, guessing it didn't make it out in the morning but ended up going later. Still surprised to see a 158 down south!
 
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Saw a 158 about 10 minutes ago at Llanharan working it's way back to Cardiff, guessing it didn't make it out in the morning but ended up going later. Still surprised to see a 158 down south!
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I think one was out on a Pembroke Dock diagram today. Nice to see them still in the South, will have to try and catch one before they go.

Edit - looks like it actually did Swansea-Cardiff and a 197 did Pembroke Dock to Swansea.
 
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150242 was seen this morning with people working on adding the actual branding, unlike 279, to it. It's nearly ready now I believe.
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Thanks a lot for the further update - I edge ever nearer to another visit to Cardiff :D
 
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As far as I'm aware the ones that are there (except 972 which is being converted to Active Travel spec) are all stood down awaiting officially being stored and off-leased.
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Why are the 153/9s being stood down if they are not being converted to Active Travel spec? Do they have issues with exams/overhauls that are required at a certain date/mileage TfW don't want to pay for like the 150s?
 
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Rhydgaled said:
Why are the 153/9s being stood down if they are not being converted to Active Travel spec? Do they have issues with exams/overhauls that are required at a certain date/mileage TfW don't want to pay for like the 150s?
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Presumably TfW are retaining only the sets that they actually own - they only own two of the 153/9s.
 
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Presumably TfW are retaining only the sets that they actually own - they only own two of the 153/9s.
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Long-term, yes, I would expect them to only keep the sets they own (which I understand is 13 units in total (across all subclasses)). However the (17 ?) class 153s that TfW have on-lease are leased for another year yet so why not make use of them to lengthen services?
 
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Rhydgaled said:
Long-term, yes, I would expect them to only keep the sets they own (which I understand is 13 units in total (across all subclasses)). However the (17 ?) class 153s that TfW have on-lease are leased for another year yet so why not make use of them to lengthen services?
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It may be capacity at canton for stabling / service. If canton are working on the 150s, 231s and 756s with possible future light work on 197s. Add to that the 67s and it may be there's no longer capacity for the 153/9s.
 
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And bear in mind 153s are pretty limited now in what work they can do. They're not cleared for the Taff Valley side of the Valley lines, there's no longer the traincrew to work them in North Wales, and they're not compatible with the 197s and 231s that are working most of the services in the places they can still go. They're winding them down ready for the future, where they'll only be on HOWL and Crewe-Shrewsbury locals.
 
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craigybagel said:
And bear in mind 153s are pretty limited now in what work they can do. They're not cleared for the Taff Valley side of the Valley lines, there's no longer the traincrew to work them in North Wales, and they're not compatible with the 197s and 231s that are working most of the services in the places they can still go. They're winding them down ready for the future, where they'll only be on HOWL and Crewe-Shrewsbury locals.
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But in the interim they could still use them on the likes of Maesteg and Ebbw Vale to free up 197s to ensure all of their other diagrams are covered/not short formed!

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Long-term, yes, I would expect them to only keep the sets they own (which I understand is 13 units in total (across all subclasses)). However the (17 ?) class 153s that TfW have on-lease are leased for another year yet so why not make use of them to lengthen services?
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I agree. They could use 3 x 153s on a couple of Maesteg to Ebbw Vales for example to free up more 197s for where they are needed
 
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