Class 319's into storage/withdrawals tracker

[Hadders]

How can 12/87 be the correct date if Thameslink didn't exist open 5/88?

They ran Bedford-St Pancras/Moorgate services from December 1987 before what we know know as the Core opened.

 

[Class455]

My video that I took yesterday on 1W46 can be found here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmVsyIXEf84&lc=z222zxxpnm3cf5e4f04t1aokg1vyndh0fbv4lnv0rg1trk0h00410
Enjoy!

 

[Islineclear3_1]

To Class455: Is your list comprehensive and up to date? Where would I find it?

 

[Class455]

To Class455: Is your list comprehensive and up to date? Where would I find it?

Yes it is. I don't believe you'd find it anywhere else other than on page 1 unless someone has copied it and posted it elsewhere, and to my knowledge that isn't the case. If you're asking what sources I use to find out which units have gone for store, the answer is either someone puts it down here and I update the list, use the TOPS request thread or I search Flickr of pictures of Class 319's or 37884 taken on the day of the move and see which units went, then update the list.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Yes it is. I don't believe you'd find it anywhere else other than on page 1 unless someone has copied it and posted it elsewhere, and to my knowledge that isn't the case. If you're asking what sources I use to find out which units have gone for store, the answer is either someone puts it down here and I update the list, use the TOPS request thread or I search Flickr of pictures of Class 319's or 37884 taken on the day of the move and see which units went, then update the list.

I saw that but there are no dates as to when units went for store? I'm sure I am missing lots...

 

[Class455]

I saw that but there are no dates as to when units went for store? I'm sure I am missing lots...

Oh right. Well I do have some of the dates logged in Today's Railways and can look at Flickr, I even went out and spotted one myself, but I never really saw those as "significant" since the 319's were all going anyway, but if others would prefer the dates of when each unit were sent for store added then I'd be more than happy to do so, but I would need some help to get dates for the ones sent to Wolverton, as these moved in the early mornings and didnt require a loco to take them..

 

[Trainspotter74]

My video that I took yesterday on 1W46 can be found here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmVsyIXEf84&lc=z222zxxpnm3cf5e4f04t1aokg1vyndh0fbv4lnv0rg1trk0h00410
Enjoy!

Very sad but excellent video. Thankyou.

 

[fusionblue]

Is there any particular reason why Thameslink isn't running (or decided not to run) extra trains via the catford loop to Sevenoaks for this week because of the London Bridge works?

It's not like there is an entire batch of 319's available to use for 4 days..

 

[physics34]

Is there any particular reason why Thameslink isn't running (or decided not to run) extra trains via the catford loop to Sevenoaks for this week because of the London Bridge works?

It's not like there is an entire batch of 319's available to use for 4 days..

No spare slots? No spare drivers?

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Is there any particular reason why Thameslink isn't running (or decided not to run) extra trains via the catford loop to Sevenoaks for this week because of the London Bridge works?

It's not like there is an entire batch of 319's available to use for 4 days..

Why would/should they? I'm sure Sevenoaks pax are well catered for anyway by SE, not to mention the fact that TL Sevenoaks trains don't even serve London Bridge

And yes, as physics34 said, where are the trains, slots and drivers?

I understand two of the six remaining 319s were hauled away yesterday and the other 4 going this week so you can't just "undo" the plan and put them back into service. And 319.440 had a traction issue so it probably doesn't work anyway

 

[158722]

I understand two of the six remaining 319s were hauled away yesterday and the other 4 going this week so you can't just "undo" the plan and put them back into service. And 319.440 had a traction issue so it probably doesn't work anyway

319426 & 432 yesterday, the other four are due to move tomorrow and thursday I gather.

 

[fusionblue]

Why would/should they? I'm sure Sevenoaks pax are well catered for anyway by SE, not to mention the fact that TL Sevenoaks trains don't even serve London Bridge

And yes, as physics34 said, where are the trains, slots and drivers?

I understand two of the six remaining 319s were hauled away yesterday and the other 4 going this week so you can't just "undo" the plan and put them back into service. And 319.440 had a traction issue so it probably doesn't work anyway

I didn't mean undo it now, as its naturally too late to do anything, i mean why wasn't there advance planning to accommodate this from months ago. It's only 4 extra days on a route which is known to be underutilised with trains which are now retired. And it isn't so much about pax from Sevenoaks but from the catford loop who would be displaced from the hayes line and elsewhere because of the work going on at London Bridge.

 

[LA50041]

I didn't mean undo it now, as its naturally too late to do anything, i mean why wasn't there advance planning to accommodate this from months ago. It's only 4 extra days on a route which is known to be underutilised with trains which are now retired. And it isn't so much about pax from Sevenoaks but from the catford loop who would be displaced from the hayes line and elsewhere because of the work going on at London Bridge.

Theres no paths, especially not for another stopper. you already have the SE services from Hastings/Ramsgate/Tunbridge Wells diverted into Waterloo/Victoria etc as well as the existing services.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

I didn't mean undo it now, as its naturally too late to do anything, i mean why wasn't there advance planning to accommodate this from months ago. It's only 4 extra days on a route which is known to be underutilised with trains which are now retired. And it isn't so much about pax from Sevenoaks but from the catford loop who would be displaced from the hayes line and elsewhere because of the work going on at London Bridge.

Probably lack of available paths. The Catford loop has at present 2 x stopping TL trains per hour and the Dover Priory stoppers along with some freight paths. I'm not sure if some of the Ashford or Canterbury West stoppers go down there too. I thought I heard somewhere that the Sevenoaks (via Catford) was to be increased to 4tph but it was only a rumour. Not sure how an extra 2 stopping trains would be accommodated but obviously, the planners will know best

And of course, the Catford loop has always been a good diversionary route should anything break down on the direct Bromley line

 

[Please Explain]

Not always obvious when someone's being sarcastic on this forum, as I'm sure you've realised!

I don't know the impression you're doing, I must admit. I am slowly becoming a Euro crank, something else you'll be noticing in my trip report thread if you're reading it!

Absolutely!

You referred to "Eurocranking" which I like to refer to as "Eurotrashing"! In homage to Eurotrash which was on channel 4 in UK for almost twenty years hosted by two crazy Frenchmen, Antoine de Caunes and Jean-Paul Gaultier!
Have a look on youtube and I'm sure you'll remember them. They hosted a one off "Brexit Special" on the eve of the referendum last year.
Eurotrash was le best!

Oh, of course. I forgot about your Praha trip, have a good time? If the report is up I will go and check that out now for sure!
For a future Eurobashing -(or trashing! ?????? ), I heartily recommend that you get over to France sooner rather than later to sample the last of the classique SNCF Nez Cassés BB electrics and Corails before they all go, the very last big diesel, CC 72100 was sadly withdrawn from service on ligne 4 (Paris Est-Belfort) yesterday to make way for the new Alstom plastic junk.. But fear not as there is PLENTY more other bad-ass old locos and stock to be had all over the country -at least for now anyway.. Check out my SNCF loco hauled thread over on le internationaux section for essential trip planning gen!

Anyway, I am yet again off topic! Desolé mods!!

 

[Class319&373]

Here are some photos from yesterday (28/08/17) of 319 217 'Brighton' & 319 435 final move from Bedford Carriage Sidings to Bedford Cauldwell Depot. Next time I'll see them is when they are hooked to the ROG Class 37

 

[MatthewRead]

Here are some photos from yesterday (28/08/17) of 319 217 'Brighton' & 319 435 final move from Bedford Carriage Sidings to Bedford Cauldwell Depot. Next time I'll see them is when they are hooked to the ROG Class 37

I've got a video of riding those units https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikdcLZroUrY

 

[Class319&373]

217 'Brighton' and 435 are off now

 

[LOL The Irony]

Will 008 & 009 keep their names?

 

[Class455]

217 'Brighton' and 435 are off now

Have updated the list. I have noticed that the two units have split and rejoined again when they went to Cauldwell

 

[507021]

Will 008 & 009 keep their names?

Probably not, but you never know.

 

[Class319&373]

That's it, 440 & 443 gone... its truly goodbye to the Class 319 now

 

[Class455]

That's it, 440 & 443 gone... its truly goodbye to the Class 319 now

Have updated the list. A very sad day indeed. No more Class 319's left on Thameslink soil. The closest within London you can find them now is on the St Albans Abbey branch and a few London Euston peak trains at London Midland, but these are not going to last too long as LM want to replace their 319's.

I would imagine 319005 and 319427 would be moved to Long Marston in the next few weeks unless these are for ATW.

 

[Siemens Staines]

That's it, 440 & 443 gone... its truly goodbye to the Class 319 now

Out of curiosity does anyone know the storage capacity of Long Marston?

A quick sum;
45 * 0.0199*4 * 0.62137 = 2.225 track miles of 319 vehicles currently stored in there

 

[physics34]

Out of curiosity does anyone know the storage capacity of Long Marston?

A quick sum;
45 * 0.0199*4 * 0.62137 = 2.225 track miles of 319 vehicles currently stored in there

funnily enough ive just been looking at Long Marston on Google Earth..... doesnt look like a huge place.

 

[urpert]

I drove past Long Marston the other week. You can’t see much from the road, just a couple of 319s and a ton of D Stock.

 

[Class455]

Out of curiosity does anyone know the storage capacity of Long Marston?

A quick sum;
45 * 0.0199*4 * 0.62137 = 2.225 track miles of 319 vehicles currently stored in there

I was wondering this myself. Maybe the off lease 455's will be having to go there once they finish with SWR

 

[Silverlink]

I was wondering this myself. Maybe the off lease 455's will be having to go there once they finish with SWR

455 will probably get scrapped

 

[adrock1976]

455 will probably get scrapped

Are those the 46 green ones with Govia Thameslink Railway that you are referring to?

 

[Class455]

Are those the 46 green ones with Govia Thameslink Railway that you are referring to?

No the ones which are currently at SWR . These will go off lease when the Aventras arrived whereas the GTR 455's should be gone by 2023