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The 1894-1899 London, Walthamstow & Epping Forest Railway (LW&EFR) Scheme

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Have been reading about the 1894-1899 proposals for the London, Walthamstow & Epping Forest Railway (LW&EFR) from South Place Finsbury Circus to High Beech though interested to know more about the following:

1 - Does any information exist as to what planned stations were envisaged between Finsbury Circus and High Beech? The same with a later additional line in the 1899 LW&EFR proposal to link up with the Chingford Branch Line presumably nearer to Clapton alongside the authorized lines.

2 -A curious aspect about the route would have to be it traveling parallel to Lea Bridge Road if not possibly stopping at Lea Bridge itself before continuing towards High Beech with branches running onto the then Tottenham & Forest Gate Railway roughly at Leyton Midland Road either north to Walthamstow Queen’s Road or south to Leytonstone High Road (formerly Leyton, Walthamstow and Leytonstone respectively).

3 - On the initial plans for railways connecting the City to the north-east of London. Do any additional details exist on the 1891 London, Tottenham & Epping Railway scheme for a railway from Whitecross Street to Waltham Abbey via Tottenham and Walthamstow regarding the proposed route?

Specifically was Whitecross Street itself actually envisaged as a terminus or did the planners practically speaking likely have somewhere nearer to Aldersgate Street (now Barbican), Moorgate or Farringdon in mind?

4 - Returning back to the LW&EFR, with elements of the route as such from Spring Lane / Big Hill to the Tottenham & Forest Gate Railway (later Gospel Oak – Barking Line) via Lea Bridge in mind. Were there any other historical railway schemes in the area that with the benefit of hindsight would have potentially provided more orbital options from East to North London beyond the Gospel Oak to Barking and North London Lines?

Say some iteration of the aforementioned scheme from Spring Lane / Big Hill to Tottenham & Forest Gate Railway towards Barking via Lea Bridge (with an optional branch onto the GER prior to Snaresbrook from Leyton Midland Road), yet now beginning from somewhere around Junction Road (up to as far back as West Hampstead) to Spring Lane / Big Hill via Finsbury Park or some other scheme along similar lines?
 
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I've never heard of this before so can contribute nothing. I'm glad this hairbrained scheme never got off the ground. High Beech, for those unfamiliar with the area, consists of a few houses, a church and three pubs scattered over a few acres within Epping Forest. The idea that it could ever have justified a railway is ludicrous.
 

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Its from London's Lost Tube Schemes book, though interested in finding out more about this and related schemes from other sources.

There were actually a number of proposals for railway schemes to High Beech, with some plans to travel to Waltham Abbey via High Beech.
 

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Its from London's Lost Tube Schemes book, though interested in finding out more about this and related schemes from other sources.

There were actually a number of proposals for railway schemes to High Beech, with some plans to travel to Waltham Abbey via High Beech.
That is why Chingford station looks as though it has been truncated. It was built so that the line could be extended to High Beech and Waltham Abbey. Always wondered what the route would have been and where Waltham Abbey Station would have been !
 

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Does your book say if an Act was drawn up for this line? If not, does it give any reference which may lead you to the original papers? These might be either in the National Archive, or possibly the LT archive or at the London Transport museum?
 

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That is why Chingford station looks as though it has been truncated. It was built so that the line could be extended to High Beech and Waltham Abbey. Always wondered what the route would have been and where Waltham Abbey Station would have been !

The Chingford extension was one of a number of proposed schemes towards High Beech and Waltham Abbey, IIRC the High Beech stop was to be at the Junction of Avey Lane and Pynest Green Lane while the proposed Waltham Abbey stops was to be at Farm Hill Road opposite the Green Man public house.

One later unrelated scheme under the 1905 North East London Railway proposed going beyond Waltham Abbey, where a connection would be made to the Hertford Line of the GER just to the north of Cadmores Lane allowing the scheme to act as an alternative route into the City for GER trains. Earlier schemes meanwhile proposed stops at Gilwell Park sited a kink in Sewardstone Road as well as Royal Oak somewhere to the west of the junction of Mott Street and Lippitts Hill.


Does your book say if an Act was drawn up for this line? If not, does it give any reference which may lead you to the original papers? These might be either in the National Archive, or possibly the LT archive or at the London Transport museum?

Royal Assent was given a few times for the LW&EFR, first on 25th August 1894 then again in 1st July 1898 and 9th September 1898.
 

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.....Royal Assent was given a few times for the LW&EFR, first on 25th August 1894 then again in 1st July 1898 and 9th September 1898.
The paperwork giving the details should therefore be lodged in the Parliamentary archive. I suspect that it is difficult to access at present, however!
 

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That is why Chingford station looks as though it has been truncated. It was built so that the line could be extended to High Beech and Waltham Abbey. Always wondered what the route would have been and where Waltham Abbey Station would have been !

I'd heard some time ago that the building that's currently a Prezzo on Kings Road here
https://maps.app.goo.gl/niExjDbC7u1sxSfK6 was intended to be a station originally but I've never found any evidence for that. Makes some sense if there was a late switch to making the Chingford branch a potential through route rather than a planned terminus. Anyone know more?
 

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I'd heard some time ago that the building that's currently a Prezzo on Kings Road here
https://maps.app.goo.gl/niExjDbC7u1sxSfK6 was intended to be a station originally but I've never found any evidence for that. Makes some sense if there was a late switch to making the Chingford branch a potential through route rather than a planned terminus. Anyone know more?
I think the idea was to extend from the current Chingford station, so it would not have gone any nearer this site than the railway does today. That's why the current station is effectively a through station with buffer stops at one end, and probably also why the backs of the gardens on Beresford Road continue the line of the railway (this area now being the bus station).
 

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The paperwork giving the details should therefore be lodged in the Parliamentary archive. I suspect that it is difficult to access at present, however!

Indeed.

Despite not being given Royal Assent it is possible details would be avaliable in the Parliamentary archive or another source for the earlier 1891 London, Tottenham & Epping Railway scheme (for a railway from Whitecross Street to Waltham Abbey via Tottenham and Walthamstow) before its name was changed to the LW&EFR proposed a related scheme?

I'd heard some time ago that the building that's currently a Prezzo on Kings Road here
https://maps.app.goo.gl/niExjDbC7u1sxSfK6 was intended to be a station originally but I've never found any evidence for that. Makes some sense if there was a late switch to making the Chingford branch a potential through route rather than a planned terminus. Anyone know more?

The nearest proposed station was known as Chingford Green for the City & North East Suburban Electric Railway (C&NESER) scheme (running from Chingford Hall situated on Hall Lane and traveling towards Gilwell Park), however that was to have been located on Kings Head Road just east of its junction with Sewardstone Road.
 
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