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HSTEd
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What about taking over the suburban services out of Marylebone if you can work out a connection path? THis would leave just the Birmingham trains going out of the existing station.
That would reqiure partial eletrification of the Chiltern Lines, but yes that might work if they were connected with SWT Suburban service, thay would require the Class 377/5
tbtc
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Please. Stop. Suggesting. 377/5s. In. Every. Single. Thread.
They are a very good train and they are built in the UK
They are no longer being built. The only reason that Southern are getting 377s was for compatibility with their existing train fleet (and Bombardier were very keen on selling them 379s as that production line was still available). Any new build EMUs from Bombardier will be Aventra and there are no guarantees that Bombardier will build them in the UK as they don't seem all that keen on keeping Derby open.
By Bombardier, a company that seems to struggle to deliver any trains without problems.
"The Tube" yesterday even revealed how they admitted that their testing wasn't sufficient to highlight problems - making any pre-delivery testing seem rather pointless!
Even if you accept that they do eventually fix the problems, doing so once they're in service results in huge inconvenience to passengers. For a company that has made trains for years, it shouldn't be hard to have trains roll off the production line without any problems. The only things that could break would be any custom interior fitting for a TOC, which wouldn't be enough to stop the train from running!
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But anyway....
It might be a bit hairy with all the conversions from 25kV to third rail and back again, but how about transferring Watford DC/Upper Bakerloo, WCML suburban and Chiltern Suburban trains to Crossrail 3 in the North linked in with the SN suburban network?
It might be a bit hairy with all the conversions from 25kV to third rail and back again, but how about transferring Watford DC/Upper Bakerloo, WCML suburban and Chiltern Suburban trains to Crossrail 3 in the North linked in with the SN suburban network?
tbtc
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They are not the answer to every single problem, and they cannot be built any more. Why suggest them in every thread?
If they get more orders then it would make sense to keep it open, otherwise anyone elise who is willing to build trains in the UK will get it
If they are no longer building the 377/5 (but Bombarider is still at Derby), then a Dual Voltage version of the Aventra will be the best train for the job
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Siemens and Alsthom built trains have the same problems as well
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It would require a 4 tracked Crossrail 3, but yes it might work
Nym
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Really, so the Class 350/2 units, esentially an evolutionary follow on from the 350/1 units, ad they incorporated software tweaks took years to get rid of all of the glitches, and wern't properly tested?
In the same way that 377/5 units couldn't couple with 377/<5 units?
In the same way that 377/5 units couldn't couple with 377/<5 units?
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Why? the thameslink programme is apparently going to manage 24tph with two tracks.
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And where under London can one fit four tracks of UIC-GC or W10 Gauge track on the same alignment?
Perhaps but unlike Bombardier Siemens have a reputation for actually getting out there and fixing the problems as quickly as possible when they appear. Bombardier on the other hand have a terrible reputation for after sales service so much so that The Underground is seemingly having to come up with a solution for it's Victoria line train problems by themselves!
Ahh yes I forgot that every single train built in the privatisation era was built by Bombardier in Derby. Bombardier really aren't the only choice and if they're trying to trade on being the last maker of trains in the UK then they're going to be in for a nasty shock one day if they don't try and keep up with the competition in terms of after sales care, value for money and quality of rolling stock (all things they seem to struggle with).
I agree Bombardier is not that good, but in times like these (especially after the Thameslink issue) Siemens have to build their trains in the UK
One of the reasons I am suggesting getting new stock (apart from increasing capacity) is so that it generates employment in the UK
Apart from the fact they do not build trains in the UK, Siemens are not too bad
Nym
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Theres nothing stopping the staff at Derby going to apply for jobs with Siemens...
Nym
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No, it's thanks to EU Freedom of movment regulations, and do you actually know how many people Seimens employ in the UK?
I'll give you a clue, it's more than Bombardier...
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The trains would cost more though...
What about transportation costs from Germany?
Eagle
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Minimal. We're talking a few grand per train, tops, I reckon.
Still is good for UK employment if the trains were built here
Nym
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So you want to skew the quality of rolling stock for the UK, and proberbly reduce the lifespan of said rolling stock thereby reducing availabliltity and reducing national mobility (that will cost jobs) for the sake of keeping 300 odd assembly workers, 80% of whom will be redundant if the industry engaged in modern techniques?
Eagle
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Derby isn't exactly short of work at the moment. It's currently churning out the biggest rolling stock order in UK history, the S stock (totalling around 1,400 coaches). And then afterwards a nice batch of 377s for Southern—which could in all probability end up on Thameslink services, given the imminent franchise merger.
DarloRich
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why - is the best deal for the tax payer the not most important thing?
If we have more people are in work, then they will not be getting benefit, so overall the taxpayer benefits
Eagle
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Not having to pay the employment benefits of just 300 people isn't a significant cost-saving factor. It'd be a couple of million pounds, tops.
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