The EU could insist on much more stringent control for travel between EU and GB

[Struner]

Let us get back to the hypothetical scenario that is stated on the very first posting on this thread.
Which EU officially recognised spokesperson has actually commented upon the basis of this thread so far?

You seem to be concerned about people entering the UK.
But people leaving a country are only checked on outstanding fines &c.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

You seem to be concerned about people entering the UK.
But people leaving a country are only checked on outstanding fines &c.

The title of this thread refers to travel between the EU and GB. It was not I who launched the thread.

 

[Struner]

Nothing will change when entering the Schengen area. But some people will have been taken their EU passport away from them, so they will have to join a different queue. Simples (to quote the Maybot).
Any privileges for UK passport holders will be part of the negotiations.

 

[jumble]

Moderator note: Split from https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/eurostar-possible-expansion.199790/

Once the Brexit transition period ends on 31/12/20, the EU will presumably insist on much more stringent control for travel between the EU and the UK, which will be a "3rd country", so all stations served by Eurostar trains will require appropriate infrastructure and manned security barriers.

This is likely to have a major impact on travel via the Channel Tunnel, and will effectively quash any significant potential expansion of Eurostar destinations that might have occurred if Brexit hadn't happened.

I expect that security and document control arrangements will need to be similar to those required for travel across the eastern frontier of the EU into Belarus and Russia, albeit presumably with some visa-waiver arrangements.

The EU will presumably also insist on strict controls for travel across the Irish Sea, including between Great Britain and the 6 counties.

My take is that because the border between Switzerland and France and Germany has absolutely no border controls whatever most of the time it is a big stretch to assume anything about the EU's intentions

 

[Bletchleyite]

My take is that because the border between Switzerland and France and Germany has absolutely no border controls whatever most of the time it is a big stretch to assume anything about the EU's intentions

That would be because those countries are members of the Schengen Agreement for freedom of movement. The UK is not and never has been, hence why we do have border checks.

That isn't the same thing as the "freedom of movement" that we stand to lose, which is more about living and working in another country than going there on holiday, the highly unusual case of people who holiday for more than 90 days in one go aside. Maybe that's a misnomer, and "freedom of residence and employment" is a better description of what will be lost.

 

[Howardh]

My take is that because the border between Switzerland and France and Germany has absolutely no border controls whatever most of the time it is a big stretch to assume anything about the EU's intentions

Switzerland is in Schengen, therefore controls aren't required.

These facts are basics....

 

[SteveP29]

If the French do have gunboats as you say, why do they not use them to return those being smuggled from their country back to France whilst those craft are still in their coastal limits?

Why would the French give a flying fig about boats travelling AWAY from their country?

 

[mmh]

Why would the French give a flying fig about boats travelling AWAY from their country?

Because of international relations and cooperation. Something some remainers seem to have a conflicted view of.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Why would the French give a flying fig about boats travelling AWAY from their country?

Since it was someone else, not I, who used the scenario of the French and their gunboats in a posting that I commented upon, perhaps it would be better if you asked that person about the use of French gunboats.

 

[nidave]

But not unacceptable to invent a wedge and discriminate between EU and non-EU people?

Don't pretend you are opposed to eu immigration because its somehow racist towards non eu nationals. You would be happy then to allow world wide freedom of movement to the uk?

 

[Doppelganger]

https://newsthump.com/2016/09/10/eu-to-adopt-points-based-system-for-british-holidaymakers/

News just in, this is what's being planned

EU to adopt ‘points-based’ system for British holidaymakers

British holidaymakers will be allowed into the EU based on points awarded according to how fat and annoying they are, it has been confirmed.

Points will also be deducted for the precise shade of cherry-pink people go after 48 hours in the blazing hot sun with no suncream.

The EU is to introduce the system in response to British proposals of a ‘points-based’ immigration system that would prevent people entering the country to do antisocial things like work and spend their money.

Describing the new system as ‘fair and proportionate’, the European Commission gave several examples of how the new holiday system will work, including ‘Dave’, an unemployed but curiously well-off used car dealer from Basildon and his 14-year-old son Nick who tries to smoke weed on the Ryanair flight to Marbella will get ‘Nul points’ and have to go on holiday to Margate instead.

Meanwhile, James and Jocasta, a pair of brand managers from Hemel Hempstead, and their three children Oliver, Amelia and Freddy, will get a hundred points and be allowed in to buy as much roquefort and La Cadence Cadigan as they like.

Points will be awarded on a number of criteria, including knowing the name of the capital city of the country you’re visiting, being able to speak any of the language, and whether visitors think it’s acceptable for a drink to be blue.

The system has been criticised by many on this side of the channel, who insist that points-based systems are only supposed to apply to other people and not them.

 

[DaleCooper]

https://newsthump.com/2016/09/10/eu-to-adopt-points-based-system-for-british-holidaymakers/

News just in, this is what's being planned

Seems fair.

 

[Struner]

Yes, lovely. No hen- or stagparties anymore.

 

[najaB]

Yes, lovely. No hen- or stagparties anymore.

Not sure if that's a good thing or bad...?

 

[Struner]

Very good! lol In Amsterdam they are a pest. The Newcastle-IJmuiden crossing seems to be very popular. So I stopped using it over the weekend (Sun NL-UK, Fri UK-NL).