The future of Laira depot.

Discussion in 'UK Railway Discussion' started by Woody, 16 Apr 2015.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Woody

    Woody Member

    Messages:
    262
    Joined:
    10 Dec 2006
    Laira depot Plymouth post HST. To be or not to be that is the question. Yesterday my local BBC South West news program said that post IEP the work load at Laira will fall by 60% with consequent job losses and of course if an additional batch of Hitachi AT300 trains is approved in June to replace the remaining HST's they too will almost certainly be maintained "in house" by Hitachi as well as the IEP's with further implications on the jobs front at Laira. Yet FGW say that Laira will not close and the depots at Penzance (Long Rock) and Exeter may even be expanded. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05qhzv7/spotlight-15042015
    Thoughts.
     
  2. trac

    trac Member

    Messages:
    51
    Joined:
    9 Feb 2015
    couple of class 50's in that footage :)
     
  3. Domh245

    Domh245 Established Member

    Messages:
    2,916
    Joined:
    6 Apr 2013
    Location:
    Nottingham
    I'm not that up to speed on the GW IEP maintenance scheme, but it may be that one of the maintenance facilities will be there.

    If it isn't one of the selected depots, then it will almost certainly remain as a stabling point and will likely gain some CET pumping kit
     
  4. iantherev

    iantherev Member

    Messages:
    385
    Joined:
    3 Apr 2011
    Location:
    Axminster
    Slow news week. Tonight they're worrying that you won't get cod and chips in 50 years.
     
  5. Carlisle

    Carlisle Established Member

    Messages:
    1,907
    Joined:
    26 Aug 2012
    Yes it's virtually impossible to see it not remain in some shape or form unless they go for a new build somewhere as there's nowhere else around suitable (Exeter too small) and unlikely to want to run lots of trains ECS to Bristol or Penzance depots at the start and finish of each day
     
    Last edited: 16 Apr 2015
  6. BantamMenace

    BantamMenace Member

    Messages:
    451
    Joined:
    2 Dec 2013
    Has a maintenance deal/location been struck for the new AT300s for the west of england?
     
  7. iantherev

    iantherev Member

    Messages:
    385
    Joined:
    3 Apr 2011
    Location:
    Axminster
    Deal hasn't officially been signed yet - I'd not count your chickens until the election....um, sorry that's happened
     
  8. plymothian

    plymothian Member

    Messages:
    547
    Joined:
    26 Sep 2010
    Location:
    Plymouth
    AT300s have not yet had government approval.
    Whoever get in in May, could turn around and say keep your HSTs for another 40 years.
     
  9. irish_rail

    irish_rail Member

    Messages:
    242
    Joined:
    30 Oct 2013
    Location:
    Plymouth
    From what ive heard, Tavistock Junc Yard is being looked at by Hitatchi for a small depot.
    Apparently, part of the problem with the current sheds at Laira is concrete cancer, and so would be very expensive to repair, however, no descions have yet been made as far as im aware, and as others have said, IEPs will need to stable somewhere, so there is definitely a future for a depot in Plymouth, although potentially a little smaller.....
     
  10. krus_aragon

    krus_aragon Established Member

    Messages:
    2,359
    Joined:
    10 Jun 2009
    Location:
    North Wales
    50 years? I'm not waiting that long for my dinner! I'll have a curry instead. :P
     
  11. Cherry_Picker

    Cherry_Picker Established Member

    Messages:
    2,589
    Joined:
    18 Apr 2011
    Location:
    Birmingham
    But if you vote Tory they promise to make cod supplies last at least 53 years!
     
  12. CockneySparrow

    CockneySparrow Established Member

    Messages:
    997
    Joined:
    14 Aug 2012
    Location:
    Stratford
    Unless Hitachi build a new depot in the area I cant see it will work logistically, Laira depot was retained after BR due to where it is located and how the franchise needs to work logistically

    Hitachi could build a new depot up the road but it will be an expense when they could just get Hitachi ops to work on the clients premises at Laira

    The level of work will drop off due to the newer trains not needing work done on them as regular as the older HSTs but some staff will be retained and TUPED over I would have thought

    One thing is a dead cert and that is that the Hitachi trains wont be going a couple of hundred miles from Plymouth for maintenance
     
    Last edited: 17 Apr 2015
  13. bignosemac

    bignosemac Established Member

    Messages:
    4,250
    Joined:
    12 Oct 2009
    It's still for the DfT to decide on the AT300s. By no means a done deal yet.

    Contingency, if no deal, is for 21 HST sets to remain for West of England services.

    If the AT300s are ordered they may not have the same 'build and maintain' contract attached to them as the Class 800/801s, as they would be built in Japan, not Newton Aycliffe. Stoke Gifford in Bristol is unlikely to have the capacity to maintain another 29 (AT300, if ordered, would be 7x 9 car and 22x 5 car) sets. So its likely another depot site would be required. That would logically be on the line of route between London and Devon/Cornwall. Laira would seem like the obvious choice. Or a new build in the west. Either way there shouldn't be a dire threat to jobs.

    I think the reports of Laira's demise are greatly exaggerated.

    I'd be more concerned about Landore in Swansea...
     
    Last edited: 18 Apr 2015
  14. CockneySparrow

    CockneySparrow Established Member

    Messages:
    997
    Joined:
    14 Aug 2012
    Location:
    Stratford
    Would people be sitting around all day if the same level of depot staff were retained, I would be very concerned if the new trains initially in the first few years of life needed the same amount of maintenance as ancient HST stock,

    With regards to moving the depot somewhere else along the route it would have to be near the Plymouth area or within 20-30 miles, if not what problems could occur when the drivers have to drive a couple of hours in the car to work each day, I think the union will be watching this closely
     
  15. LNW-GW Joint

    LNW-GW Joint Established Member

    Messages:
    10,163
    Joined:
    22 Feb 2011
    Location:
    Mold, Clwyd
    I think all the Hitachi fleets to date (395, 80x, AT200) are being maintained by the manufacturer rather than in house by the TOC.
    It wouldn't make sense for FGW to have a different type of contract for the SW AT300s.
    I shouldn't think where the trains are built is a factor - the 395s were built in Japan and are maintained by Hitachi at Ashford.
     
  16. najaB

    najaB Veteran Member

    Messages:
    15,349
    Joined:
    28 Aug 2011
    Location:
    Scotland
    Just because previous contracts have been supply plus maintenance doesn't mean that future contracts will be. If it makes financial sense then it will, if the DfT believes a supply-only contract is a better deal then the maintenance will be done in house.

    Regardless of who is doing it, there will need to be a depot of some description in the south west which could be Laira, or a newly built site.
     
  17. Class 170101

    Class 170101 Established Member

    Messages:
    3,623
    Joined:
    1 Mar 2014
    How much space is there around Laira as a whole?

    Could a new building be constructed within the confines of the Yard and then the old demolished and turned over to outdoor stabling space? A Bit like Ilford Depot seems to be at moment.
     
  18. ainsworth74

    ainsworth74 Moderator Staff Member Moderator

    Messages:
    17,164
    Joined:
    16 Nov 2009
    Location:
    Redcar
    Well Long Rock is going to be completely responsible for maintaining the Night Riviera vehicles once Old Oak Common goes in a few years so that's why they're expanding it and it is therefore fairly safe as long as the Night Riviera continues to run. I also wonder if it might pick up some DMUs on a permanent basis. Exeter depot is pretty much full, especially once the 16xs start coming over. Rather than expanding or, even worse, moving that depot it might be decided it's easier to base some at Long Rock.
     
  19. bignosemac

    bignosemac Established Member

    Messages:
    4,250
    Joined:
    12 Oct 2009
    Exeter won't be getting any 16x.

    All the 143s to go off lease, as well as all the 153s and some 150s. 158s and 150s to move down from St Phillips.
     
  20. ainsworth74

    ainsworth74 Moderator Staff Member Moderator

    Messages:
    17,164
    Joined:
    16 Nov 2009
    Location:
    Redcar
    Huh thought it was 16x. Must have been thinking of extra 15xs then.
     
  21. CockneySparrow

    CockneySparrow Established Member

    Messages:
    997
    Joined:
    14 Aug 2012
    Location:
    Stratford
    Has Laira still got any DMUs allocated to the shed or do any maintenance on any or is it just HSTs they maintain
     
  22. irish_rail

    irish_rail Member

    Messages:
    242
    Joined:
    30 Oct 2013
    Location:
    Plymouth
    DMUs come in for basic overnight servicing, nothing more except in exceptional circumstances (ie Dawlish wall collapse etc).
     
  23. krus_aragon

    krus_aragon Established Member

    Messages:
    2,359
    Joined:
    10 Jun 2009
    Location:
    North Wales
    Llandore's been penciled in (by some?) as housing West Wales' DMU fleet once the SWML electrification is done.
     
  24. PHILIPE

    PHILIPE Established Member

    Messages:
    7,141
    Joined:
    14 Nov 2011
    Location:
    Caerphilly
    I notice that you have spelt Landore as Llandore perhaps as a Cymro. I hope you don't mind me asking why ? The area of Swansea is historically named after a man whose name was LANDORE John Hughes and the composer of "Calon Lán". Cymru am byth.
     
  25. Busaholic

    Busaholic Established Member

    Messages:
    5,952
    Joined:
    7 Jun 2014
    Despite official denials, it is almost certain that Morrisons supermarket at Long Rock, Penzance will close and the site be sold to Network Rail or its agents. Since Sainsbury opened just over the road eighteen months ago Morrisons has lost a huge number of customers. Safeways, Morrisons predecessors, bought the site from the BRB in the first place about thirty years ago, so getting planning permission ought not to be too onerous.
     
  26. TEW

    TEW Established Member

    Messages:
    4,463
    Joined:
    16 May 2008
    Occasional out of course work has been done on 150s there too. Half of 150221 which caught fire in the Plymouth area was repaired over quite a long period of time at Laira. The original 150/1s, 150121 and 150127 had a mini refurbishment there too.
     
  27. D1009

    D1009 Established Member

    Messages:
    2,778
    Joined:
    22 Feb 2012
    Location:
    Stoke Gifford
    When you say drivers, who are you on about?
     
  28. D6975

    D6975 Established Member

    Messages:
    1,955
    Joined:
    26 Nov 2009
    Location:
    Bristol
    They're supposedly keeping the 150/2s and the 2 150/0s. The 143s and 150/1s are all going off lease.
     
  29. 455driver

    455driver Veteran Member

    Messages:
    11,332
    Joined:
    10 May 2010
    When the maintenance was done by Exeter fitters who travelled down in their van.
     
  30. CockneySparrow

    CockneySparrow Established Member

    Messages:
    997
    Joined:
    14 Aug 2012
    Location:
    Stratford
    Are trains not serviced there overnight, cleaned and refuelled etc then they start the next day in the Plymouth area, therefore you would have drivers that sign there, if the depot was moved towards London or some 30 miles away what will happen to them drivers
    --- old post above --- --- new post below ---
    Like Crown Point for example overnight the lines are full of trains, in the morning drivers local to Norwich will go to the depot and collect a train drive it into Norwich and start their shift, what would happen to those drivers if the depot was demolished and a new one built at Ipswich or Colchester, Laira is the same right
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page