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Just found a copy of the Sun on the train, and as I'm bored I thought I'd have a read. On page 4, they take great delight in claiming that journalists at the Guardian have been asked to consider voluntary redundancy after the parent company made a loss of £44.2 million in 2011/12. It goes on to claim that The Guardian's circulation has dived by a 5th over the past year, selling just 211511 copies a day in June.

Murdoch exacting revenge with a half truth of his own, or will the champagne socialists of the world need to find a new daily rag to read?
 
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How long did it take you to get to page 4 :lol:

It's certainly plausible although I wouldn't trust the Sun as far I could throw it. Newspaper circulation has been declining and for all it's political bias the guardian still has some quality unlike the sun. It'll be a pity if it does go under since there'll no longer be a media outlet on the left.
 

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How long did it take you to get to page 4 :lol:

It's certainly plausible although I wouldn't trust the Sun as far I could throw it. Newspaper circulation has been declining and for all it's political bias the guardian still has some quality unlike the sun. It'll be a pity if it does go under since there'll no longer be a media outlet on the left.
There's always The Mirror. *facepalm*. Another paper like The Sun which I wouldn't trust.....

 

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As much as I dislike its pro-Labour nonsense, it would be a pity to see The Guardian fall - especially if its readers start choosing lower quality trash.

Having said that though, it is probably true - even if it is from the least reliable rag out there (or second if a certain nonpaper with the initials "DS"/"SS" counts).
 

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It would be a pity. I read The Guardian regularly, as a left-winger. Of course, I also read the Daily Mail but that's usually to increase my blood pressure :lol:
 

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It would be a pity. I read The Guardian regularly, as a left-winger. Of course, I also read the Daily Mail but that's usually to increase my blood pressure :lol:
You could always try reading a newspaper which doesn't tell you what you should be thinking:) Oh, hang on.......they all do that!
 

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Of course, it's in the Sun's interests to talk down the Guardian (or rather, News International's interest) as if the Guardian were in trouble, it would not necessarily increase circulation of the Sun, but would no doubt be beneficial to sister paper The Times. I used to be a Guardian reader, but don't tend to buy a paper these days - if I do it's usually the 'i' or a local paper.
 

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/table/2012/jul/13/abcs-national-newspapers

On their own site they state that their circulation has fallen to 211,511 copies in June. That's a fall of 17.47%. However, there were declines all across the board apart from the I.
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You could always try reading a newspaper which doesn't tell you what you should be thinking:) Oh, hang on.......they all do that!
That's more or less why I like to read a number of different news sources. At least by the fact I like news that counts the Sun out! :lol:
 

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That's more or less why I like to read a number of different news sources. At least by the fact I like news that counts the Sun out! :lol:
I like to read the Indy, The Times, and I do occasionally read a Guardian, even though it's more biased than the sodding Mail. The Indy seems to be about the best paper as far as I'm concerned, sometimes a little biased to the left but not ludicrously partisan as some papers are. I long for the day when newspapers and the Beeb are completely impartial and just report the news without putting a slant on it. I suspect I'll be waiting a long time.........

 

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I haven't read the Indy for a while. It's another of my more favoured papers. I only really read The Times for the legal stuff.
 

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I haven't read the Indy for a while. It's another of my more favoured papers. I only really read The Times for the legal stuff.
The Times is good for cricket reports - I like hearing Atherton's and before him, CMJ's take on the game. They used to have Shane Warne writing for them too, though I've not seen him do so for a good while.

As for the Indy - it seems to cover actual news quite well. I did go through a phase of getting hacked off with it after a week of reading Laurie Penny's naïve take on the world. But apart from her, it's usually a damn good read.
 

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Not sure if The Sun can count as journalism. Whenever I've found one on the train it seems to be full of non-stories. At least the Mirror has a vague sense of having proper journalism.

Independent, Times and Guardian are much better, but I don't particularly want to fork out over £1 eveyday for a paper. Started buying the 'i' a lot more now, decent read for 20p.
 

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My mother is a life long Mirror reader. Personally I'm more of a quality paper person so I read The Times/Sunday Times. TBH I never used to read a newspaper, but I have an iPad and started subscribing to use their apps. The Times+ membership you get thrown in is quite good. I didn't think I'd use many of the offers when I first got it, but I've taken advantage of quite a lot (only the other week I attended a free film preview). :)

I still use the BBC website for news as well though.
 

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At least the Mirror has a vague sense of having proper journalism. .
In what sense is Tory-bashing proper journalism?! Almost every story is spun into an attack on toffs etc etc - it's no better than the Distress or the Mail which turn every story into a bash at Labour!

 

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In what sense is Tory-bashing proper journalism?! Almost every story is spun into an attack on toffs etc etc - it's no better than the Distress or the Mail which turn every story into a bash at Labour!

Compared to The Sun which is probably better used as toilet paper. I'm not saying it is fantastic journalism, but it certainly isn't the worst paper out there.
 

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The Guardian is now being given free to first class passengers on Virgin - do these count as sales? if so then presumably they will show an increase soon.
 

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Frankly I'd be more surprised if there were an employer left in this country that hasn't offered voluntary redundency in this day and age.
 
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I like to read the Indy, The Times, and I do occasionally read a Guardian, even though it's more biased than the sodding Mail. The Indy seems to be about the best paper as far as I'm concerned, sometimes a little biased to the left but not ludicrously partisan as some papers are. I long for the day when newspapers and the Beeb are completely impartial and just report the news without putting a slant on it. I suspect I'll be waiting a long time.........

The Mail Online is a hilarious website. "Disgusted Of Tonbridge" would be at home with it.:lol:
 
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In what sense is Tory-bashing proper journalism?! Almost every story is spun into an attack on toffs etc etc - it's no better than the Distress or the Mail which turn every story into a bash at Labour!

The Mail frequently attack "so called toffs". They have a particular dislike for Prince Andrew. It borders on the absurd!:roll:
 

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The Mail Online is a hilarious website. "Disgusted Of Tonbridge" would be at home with it.:lol:
It's entirely predictable though, isn't it? Aside from the Domestic politics, the Mail is so, so repetitive...

-Immigration/Asylum seekers
-Benefits
-BBC bashing
-Europe bashing
-______ causes cancer
-Period dramas on TV
-Things were better back then

Above all, it's really boring, but I suppose if that's what makes you tick ...
 
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It's entirely predictable though, isn't it? Aside from the Domestic politics, the Mail is so, so repetitive...

-Immigration/Asylum seekers
-Benefits
-BBC bashing
-Europe bashing
-______ causes cancer
-Period dramas on TV
-Things were better back then

Above all, it's really boring, but I suppose if that's what makes you tick ...
Absolutely agree with everything there. I still enjoy reading it though. It's the comments sections that make me laugh. Outraged readers venting their spleens. I used to work in the public sector (admin in local gov't - took voluntary severance). The attacks on public sector workers (of whatever grade) are especially vitriolic (and largely unfair I might add). Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.:roll:
 

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Absolutely agree with everything there. I still enjoy reading it though. It's the comments sections that make me laugh. Outraged readers venting their spleens. I used to work in the public sector (admin in local gov't - took voluntary severance). The attacks on public sector workers (of whatever grade) are especially vitriolic (and largely unfair I might add). Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.:roll:
I must admit I do sometimes have a read for entertainment. I sometimes don't disagree with what is written, but I can always sense some embellishment and an axe to grind. I know what you mean, they don't like council workers and generalise them all into one label. They don't let facts get in the way with anything!
 

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Not sure if The Sun can count as journalism. Whenever I've found one on the train it seems to be full of non-stories. At least the Mirror has a vague sense of having proper journalism.
Compared to The Sun which is probably better used as toilet paper. I'm not saying it is fantastic journalism, but it certainly isn't the worst paper out there.
I'd still say The Sun is worse, but that is my opinion.

As a very infrequent reader then your opinion can not be based on the 'odd time' you happen to 'find' one on the train.

I read the Sun daily and whilst its not my only place for news to claim it not journalism followed by claims of 'I prefer to read XYZ' is the sort of sneery ignorance of such people who think they are better because they read the Guardian. Pathetic but says it all really.


Though I do like the irony of the Guardian and its constant 'CUTS CUTS CUTS ARE BAD ' stories are now having to again take more drastic action themselves due to losing money. This time it wont be voluntary though.


And hwo can the paper have such low readership if its the lefties favourite rag? Are you all now reading it for free online? Chortle.
 
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A query for the more elder of the forum membership. Was it the Daily Mirror that used to have a dedicated section called "Live letters conducted by the Old Codgers"...or a similar wording. Any idea when this ceased ?
The "Old Codgers" column ran from 1935 until 1990.
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As a very infrequent reader then your opinion can not be based on the 'odd time' you happen to 'find' one on the train.

I read the Sun daily and whilst its not my only place for news to claim it not journalism followed by claims of 'I prefer to read XYZ' is the sort of sneery ignorance of such people who think they are better because they read the Guardian. Pathetic but says it all really.


Though I do like the irony of the Guardian and its constant 'CUTS CUTS CUTS ARE BAD ' stories are now having to again take more drastic action themselves due to losing money. This time it wont be voluntary though.


And hwo can the paper have such low readership if its the lefties favourite rag? Are you all now reading it for free online? Chortle.
I hadn't realised The Guardian was doing so badly. Even though I may disagree with its views, I would be sorry to see it fold.
 

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But most of the revenue for newspapers comes from advertising, so surely so long as they are still receiving decent advertising levels they should be OK? Granted, lower sales will affect advertising (and rates), but what of the Internet? Have the number of hits they are receiving different? If no, surely advertising wouldn't be affected either?
 
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But most of the revenue for newspapers comes from advertising, so surely so long as they are still receiving decent advertising levels they should be OK? Granted, lower sales will affect advertising (and rates), but what of the Internet? Have the number of hits they are receiving different? If no, surely advertising wouldn't be affected either?
I might be "barking up the wrong tree here?" but I wonder if some of their financial losses stem, from moving into their new site at York Way? Just a thought?:o
 

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I might be "barking up the wrong tree here?" but I wonder if some of their financial losses stem, from moving into their new site at York Way? Just a thought?:o
Nah they have been losing money as a printed newspaper for a few years on and off now. The GMG as a whole seems to be in a bit of a pickle.

With regards to advertising - they wont be able to charge as much for the ads if their readership is low as they wont be able to be seen by as many people.

Whereas you look at the red tops and the others like the DM and stuff, they are able to fill up their copoy with large full paid ads as the advertisers know they will get seen by many. And everyone needs featherweight shoes and elasticated nylon trousers :lol:
 
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