The implications of false destinations for ticket validity

Discussion in 'Fares Advice & Policy' started by yorkie, 12 Aug 2019.

  1. sheff1

    sheff1 Established Member

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    At Sheffield the displays show:
    TPE - "Express to Manchester"
    Northern - "Stopping service via Hope Valley"
    If the Northern services had a false destination of Reddish North (or wherever) people holding Advances to Manchester would likely be confused.

    Similar with Leeds trains. "Fast via Barnsley" is shown and the stoppers do not have a false destination of Woodlesford.

    I do not see why something similar cannot happen at York.
     
  2. yorkie

    yorkie Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    I don't "believe" there are none; I know there are none because I know how it works. As for the question, I think you need to re-read my opening post as I think it's quite clear that I am not questioning the validity but many people are questioning whether these trains are actually going to Leeds or not and passengers are being encouraged to take the TPE services (which their tickets may not be valid on); I refer you to this post:
    It's fortunate there aren't departures at the exact same time, but if they did this at Leeds heading towards Manchester (where the time differential between Northern and TPE is even greater) people will, most hours, see a train booked at the exact time printed on their ticket, and if it's the only train advertised for Leeds at that time, I expect several people would take it without question.

    LNER's response doesn't suggest that they think people will be confused and seek staff advice; it suggests that they think people will take the TPE trains. But it's all so subjective, so who really knows!
    Yes.
    Yes I never saw it before, until recently.
    Yes "Local stopping service" or similar would be fine.
     
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  3. philthetube

    philthetube Established Member

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    There is a need for something to prevent distance passengers using local services, both for their benefit and sometimes for the benefit of others when there a re capacity issues,

    Apart from occasions where the slow train is the quickest the only problem which seems to occur is where advance tickets are invloved.

    On a line such as the slow Euston Watford service my question would not be why do they use a false destination Southbound but why do they not Northbound.
     
  4. paddington

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    One solution may be to use route numbers like an S-Bahn type network.
     
  5. paddington

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    Just saw this slightly ridiculous board at Bolton
     

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    BluePenguin On Moderation

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    What is wrong with that? I don’t know that route so would not bat an eye lid if I saw this at a station
     
  7. Merseysider

    Merseysider Established Member Fares Advisor

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    The train is advertised as calling at Clitheroe at 11:56 followed by Blackburn at 11:32.

    I knew Pacers were slow, but I wasn't aware they could go back in time. ;)
     
  8. roversfan2001

    roversfan2001 Established Member

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    I think they might be now; the Rochdale via Manchester Victoria trains are definitely advertised as such at Darwen and Bolton. Given the Blackpool trains are advertised as "via Preston" on the screens at Blackburn, you'd hope they'd have a "via" description for the trains that actually need it too.
     
  9. Denyboy

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    Didn't you know Pacers could go back in time? The Tardis is a 142 in disguise!
     
  10. randyrippley

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    Good point
    If I'm at Preston looking for a train to Manchester, being offered a train to a nowheresville like Rose Grove is totally useless
     

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