The flask train does run via the coast route normaly on a Friday returning along the Tyne Valley at about 1500 passed the Metro Centre.
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Not 100% sure but I think this line was removed when the chord to Dunston Staithes was also removed.
I think this line will be re instated first as it saves all the run arounds at Pelaw for trains going via the Durham coast , it will be quite inexpensive to re install as it is only a couple of hundred metres long , also with Tyne Dock having won the new Biomass contract for Drax all this traffic could run straight through this line then down the coast :-
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?t=h&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF8&ll=54.960956,-1.455177&spn=0.000859,0.00283&z=19
turbo mick
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinzac55/sets/72157618622889043/
something i found on the net being from sunderland i like the old history it would be great if they reopened the old line i guess a long period of time.A few old fotos and info with the old signalboxes that were along the line
cheers
mick
something i found on the net being from sunderland i like the old history it would be great if they reopened the old line i guess a long period of time.A few old fotos and info with the old signalboxes that were along the line
cheers
mick
gordonthemoron
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Newcastle & Ferryhill?
That's Boldon East Curve and the latest Route Utilisation Strategy says this will be reopened soon. I bet they could do that in a day if they wanted to.
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I've just thought about this again, but there may be pathing issues at the south KEB junction, with the Metrocentre and Hexham/Carlisle trains.
AutoKratz
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I meant Newcastle - Middlesbrough. The journey could be made well within an hour if this line were re-opened. Not to mention benefits for Washington and Park and Ride sites. helping road congestion.
tbtc
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On a related theme (to connecting Washington by rails) - is there scope to extend the Metro westwards from Sunderland through Washington back to Gateshead?
(so that trains would run Newcastle - Gateshead - Sunderland - Washington - Gateshead - Newcastle)
(so that trains would run Newcastle - Gateshead - Sunderland - Washington - Gateshead - Newcastle)
That would be possible, but I think the main talk recently was to get trains to run to Ryhope, which supposedly would be much easier.
If they were to run to Washington, they would probably need more carriages to get everyone on and increase the frequency of trains running Sunderland - Newcastle. The best thing to do would be for the line to be reopened as heavy rail only, even better if it was electrified and get a fast service to Middlesbrough from Newcastle. If this does happen, you'd also hope journey times on the Durham coast line would be speeded up as well.
If they were to run to Washington, they would probably need more carriages to get everyone on and increase the frequency of trains running Sunderland - Newcastle. The best thing to do would be for the line to be reopened as heavy rail only, even better if it was electrified and get a fast service to Middlesbrough from Newcastle. If this does happen, you'd also hope journey times on the Durham coast line would be speeded up as well.
DaveNewcastle
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any of you remember "Project Orpheus"? A radical transformation of the Metro system to use trams which would run on-road in many areas and which formed extensions to the Metro network?
I think it emerged around 2001 and was dead a couple of years later. Stone dead. But in the meantime, I remember serious discussion about the preferred routes and possible routes, going into the detail of the turning circles required at specific road junctions through the West End. You can see that from the map where there is no specified places on the whole West Road and just a vague station called "District Centre".
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I think it emerged around 2001 and was dead a couple of years later. Stone dead. But in the meantime, I remember serious discussion about the preferred routes and possible routes, going into the detail of the turning circles required at specific road junctions through the West End. You can see that from the map where there is no specified places on the whole West Road and just a vague station called "District Centre".
. . . click to enlargeAye I remember that, although I don't remember any news on it being flushed down the drain.
What I think would be a good next extension would be going for the old line in Scotswood and Elswick, and reopening the old bridge across to Blaydon, and retunr via MetroCentre and Dunston. Would be nice to bore through from St James along the west end but of course would be cost-prohibitive.
Airport - Ponteland has been proposed many times, although unsure how hard this would be to do. Most of the old line is still extant.
Using the ECML to Killingworth has also been on the agenda since day one but would mean a new station and new lines.
I wish they had kept the Riverside branch, imagine if that was still going these days.
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Just had a look at the map in more detail. From what I remember there are more new lines on that one than the one that came out with the report. Never seen half of the news lines on there, like Rake Lane and Westoe. Now if they had the funding for that, that would be great.
What I think would be a good next extension would be going for the old line in Scotswood and Elswick, and reopening the old bridge across to Blaydon, and retunr via MetroCentre and Dunston. Would be nice to bore through from St James along the west end but of course would be cost-prohibitive.
Airport - Ponteland has been proposed many times, although unsure how hard this would be to do. Most of the old line is still extant.
Using the ECML to Killingworth has also been on the agenda since day one but would mean a new station and new lines.
I wish they had kept the Riverside branch, imagine if that was still going these days.
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Just had a look at the map in more detail. From what I remember there are more new lines on that one than the one that came out with the report. Never seen half of the news lines on there, like Rake Lane and Westoe. Now if they had the funding for that, that would be great.
Looking at Google Earth, it looks to me like the line from the old Gateshead works (between the King Edward and the High Level) actually links to directly from to the north of the Tyne Yard via an underpass, effectively bypassing the main ECML. Does anyone know if this is right?
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The old Freightliner site is now occupied by a business park. It's adjacent to the end of the A194(M) at Whitemare Pool, about a mile south of Pelaw Junction. It's a real shame these facilities never delivered on their original promise as the system as envisaged would have taken thousands of lorries of the national road network.
DaveNewcastle
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NR's current RUS (Rail Utilisation Strategy) clearly considers the potential for the Leamside line and identifies its benefit mainly in terms of capacity. However, it considers that the need for capacity is not currently great enough to justify re-opening the line at present. So there is the possibility that the argument may be more persuasive in the future.
I also believe that when the NE area was resignalled under control from Tyneside IECC, the Leamside line was NOT included. So there would be additional costs there too.
I also believe that when the NE area was resignalled under control from Tyneside IECC, the Leamside line was NOT included. So there would be additional costs there too.
Not sure what you mean here (probably number two), but there are two possible ways from the King Edward Bridge south junction to the north end of Tyne Yard:
1) Direct from the ECML, but having to cross over all the tracks
2) Go onto the Carlsile line, under the ECML then left (lifted tracks), past the Royal Mail depot and into Tyne Yard. This cuts out the need for crossing over the ECML.
schmoo_smith
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in light of all this talk about the possible re-opening of the leamside line, do you think it would benefit Nissan at all?
Nissan used to export cars by rail from Tyne Dock, not sure if it has happened lately. There was a rumour about taking cars from the factory to Tyne Dock , but it would involve the loco running around at Pelaw . This would eliminate all the car transporter movements from the factory to the port.Nissan could also be able to take containers straight into the factory also.
Not sure it would be worthwhile though as the train journey from the port to the factory is only a few miles.
Nissan still do, always see a ro-ro ship most times I pass the port. It certainly would be useful for Nissan to use the line, which would remove a large amount of lorries from the road. Not sure what things they import through Tyne Dock, if they do bring materials in that way. WOuld have thought most of it would come from either UK manufacturers or through ports down south.
The trains would have to run round at Pelaw as it is, otherwise they could theoretically go through South Hylton and Sunderland, but I don't know if the line is suitable for freight trains and not only for the Metro. This would do away with the turn around at Pelaw as Network Rail are supposed to be reinstalling Boldon east curve.
The trains would have to run round at Pelaw as it is, otherwise they could theoretically go through South Hylton and Sunderland, but I don't know if the line is suitable for freight trains and not only for the Metro. This would do away with the turn around at Pelaw as Network Rail are supposed to be reinstalling Boldon east curve.
I said Nissan used to export cars by "TRAINS" I know they use ships as I send the data of real time ship movements to various websites from my receiver , have look here :-
http://www.shipais.com/currentmap.php?map=Cullercoats
Lately though I have not seen any car trains leave or read on any gen sites about there movements .
http://www.shipais.com/currentmap.php?map=Cullercoats
Lately though I have not seen any car trains leave or read on any gen sites about there movements .
Bish Boy
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I know its been a while for this thread but why can't they open a "small" stretch of this line from Pelaw to Washington that would stop before Victoria viaduct so no repair bill and still leave scope for future expansion to Tursdale junction if and when it becomes viable. Washington really needs rail access even if its just a small branch line a few small halt like stations wouldn't cost much. I know economic downturn but gotta be good to reduce traffic in and outta Newcastle and improve the whole areas economy.
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Tram'll get it before rail. Sad but true.
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Have a look at my post #8 in the Tyne Tees Express thread in this forum, it seems the Leamside route has resurfaced in NR's plans for 2016...
Slightly off topic but it is info for this area .
On Sunday the first biomass shipment arrived at Tyne Dock this is currently being stored in the new shed, not sure when the first of the trains will start .
here is an article on the facilities at Tyne Dock :-
http://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/Port-of-Tyne39s-giant-landmark.6432192.jp
On Sunday the first biomass shipment arrived at Tyne Dock this is currently being stored in the new shed, not sure when the first of the trains will start .
here is an article on the facilities at Tyne Dock :-
http://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/Port-of-Tyne39s-giant-landmark.6432192.jp
Told you before Metros are not trams! Anyway it would be highly unlikely to get funding for reopening and electrification along to Washington and there aren't enough Metros anyway.
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Wonder which way this freight will run, more for the Durham Coast or ECML? There is also a plant opening on Teesside although makes moe sense to ship it in there than take it by rail from Tyne Dock to Billingham.
This traffic could go either way as the GBRF coal traffic does use both routes.They are still working on competing the conveyor that will take the biomass into the loading bunker,
I have seen plans for the Tees power station and on the drawings/photos the ships will dock alongside the powerstation.
There was also plans for a biomass power station on the Tyne , just across the river to the Nissan terminal, dont think this has gone much further though.
This doesn't make sense.
Do you mean it will become light rail, rather than heavy rail?
This seems unlikely, given that part of the business case for reopening must surely be to allow freight to use it, and keep that freight off the ECML?
Think he still is referring to Metros as trams. I'd much rather have the Leamside line not put onto the Metro system so that in the future it can be electrified.
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