The New 16-17 Saver

Discussion in 'Fares Advice & Policy' started by daniel1234321, 22 Feb 2019.

  1. daniel1234321

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    Has anyone heard anything about the introduction of the 16-18 Railcard recently? I heard a while ago it was being trialled.
     
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  3. LeeLivery

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    16 - 18 already has a Railcard as part of the 16-25 or as some still call it, the Young Persons Railcard.
     
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    The RDG is introducing a new railcard just for 16-18 year olds however, that gets them 50% off and has no minimum fare at peak times (unlike the 16-25 one).
     
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    I totally missed that :oops:

    Might as well just extend child fares to 18.
     
  6. nuts & bolts

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    Aimed at 16 to 17 year olds, available from September.

    Visit railcards.co.uk for more info.
     
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    Totally agree. Presumably the RDG still want to be able to fleece irregular travellers and tourists.
     
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    On the other hand, could be argued that this acts as a form of ID for older "children", thereby getting around the problem that, since 16/17 year olds are less likely to carry ID then it's difficult to judge whether they should have a child ticket. This therefore would remove both chancers and legitimate travel with a child ticket for older looking "children" (I certainly had a couple of problems at 15, and it would have been grim had child tickets gone up to 18).
     
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    Fleece? Or make money for the railway?
     
  10. daniel1234321

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    When they introduce the 16-18 Railcard, do you think they will also alter the 16-25 railcard to 18-25?
     
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    if RPIs accept carrying the railcard as sufficient ID for posession of a child ticket, it's a great idea, for that very reason. I'm definitely in favour of it.
     
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    No reason why they wouldnt as you will need ID of some form to obtain the railcard
     
  13. TheDavibob

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    Yes, but a passport would suffice, which I wouldn't expect (or desire) a 16 year old to have to hand whilst travelling.
     
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    Yeah they will only need some sort of id when purchasing so no need to cart anything else around with them
     
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    When I was in that age group, I had a PTE permit (with photocard) for half-fare buses, multi-modal tickets and train within West Yorkshire... so other than the extra 20% off there'd be no point.
     
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    Not that it should be called 16-25 railcard either as mature students can get it.
     
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  17. ForTheLoveOf

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    According to the RDG website it's actually a 16-17 Railcard.
     
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    I'm 18 in January so am very interested to hear if the same rule that applies to the 16-25, 26-30 etc. will apply here, that is that you can buy this railcard the day before your 18th birthday and use it for the year, until you turn 19.
     
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    My information leads me to believe it won't, it will expire the day before your 18th birthday no matter when you buy it.
     
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    Ah, that's a shame. If only it was brought in a couple of years sooner! :lol:
     
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    So, if it were named in common with all the other Railcards and their methods of agewise validity, it'd be the 16 Railcard :lol:
     
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    Knowing the rail industry it wouldn't surprise me :lol:
     
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    It's valid up until 18th Birthday, so my guess would be they'll rename the 16-25 RC the 18-25 RC, but I wonder if people who are 16 or 17 when the 16/17 RC launches that already have a 16-25 RC will be converted to the new one.
     
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    Just an update, railcard website still says more info in summer, no real announcements on availability yet. Also I got in touch w Railcard on twitter and they said they don't even know if it will be regional rollout or nationwide or when it will actually happen. I'm buying a 16-25 RC, I'll probably be 18 by the time the 16/17 RC comes out.
     
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    There's a lot of misinformation in this thread.

    A 16-17 railcard (the name may actually be slightly different) will be introduced on 20th August, valid for travel on or after 2nd September.

    The 16-25 Railcard will remain unchanged. No-one will be moved from one to the other.

    The 16-17 railcard will give 50% off without a minimum fare; and it will only be available until the day before the card-holder's birthday. Not all TOCs are participating though. The final details will be available shortly.

    The 16-17 railcard was announced by DfT in January. It is a DfT initiative.
     
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    Well l hope atleast scotrail, virgin and caledonian sleeper accept this 16-17 railcard. Perfect timing for my 17th birthday in September
     
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    Hmm I will wait until september then, 16-25 RC won't pay for itself by September for me.
     
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    Anyone know if the 16/17 RC will be digital only like the 26-30 one?
     
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    *sigh*
    Once again, a fragmented industry makes a bit of a mess of launching a new product. I wonder if there will have to be another fudge with the sale of the tickets as well...
     
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    I think it's a good idea. Since the age for remaining in compulsory education was increased from 16 to 18, it seemed a bit off that this group should have to pay full fare to get to wherever they need to go. The 16-25 railcard isn't much use for journeys costing less than £12 return for most of the year. There are many regional concessionary schemes in place for this age group so it makes sense to have a simple, rationalised product for them.

    Which TOCs are against participating in the scheme? If Scotrail and TfW are I can understand that, are there any others?
     
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    I heard it was more potentially an issue with local governments than TOCs...
     

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